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Dick Cheney's Favorites
Topic by: nebbertron
Posted: August 24, 2004 - 10:09 PM PDT
Last Reply: September 3, 2004 - 12:09 PM PDT

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author topic: Dick Cheney's Favorites
woozy
post #41  on August 30, 2004 - 11:00 AM PDT  
> On August 30, 2004 - 10:30 AM PDT sinisterguffaw wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> sorry. that last part was a little over the top. I get a little passionate sometimes.
> ---------------------------------

Not sure it was over the top. After all the original one full of right wing sound bites and "F*** the French" wasn't that down to earth. And you weren't tempted into saying, *gasp* "Fuck America".

But, as one liberal wienee to another, how do you answer the charge "Was Iraq better off under Hussien"? (Dick Cheney and his Haliburton friends weren't)

(Hmm, arguing among people who agree with me is not entirely without its merits.)
sinisterguffaw
post #42  on August 30, 2004 - 11:20 AM PDT  
> On August 30, 2004 - 11:00 AM PDT woozy wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> But, as one liberal wienee to another, how do you answer the charge "Was Iraq better off under Hussien"? (Dick Cheney and his Haliburton friends weren't)
> ---------------------------------

Well, everyone agrees that Saddam is a bad bad man. Possibly ever badder than Leroy Brown (who, if you'll recall, was the baddest man in the whole damn town). But was Iraq better off with him in charge? There's no easy answer, but I'm of the opinion that Yes, they were better off. As bad (I hesitate to use the word "evil" as it has been bandied about far too much lately) a man as he is/was, with him around Iraq wouldn't be in such chaos. I wonder what the statistics are when you compare the numbers of how many Iraqi civilians we've killed this year with the number of Iraqi civilians he killed his last year in office.

I'll comment more later. gotta go.
Bowwow
post #43  on August 30, 2004 - 12:09 PM PDT  
I am not sure if it really matters if Iraq is better off now than they were under Hussein's rule. "Better off" is a rather subjective term after all. I think it is fair to point out that this war has cost the United States a lot of money and a lot of lives. There also has been quite a lot of lives lost in Iraq as well as a lot of property damage. There are also less tangible costs. Will some kid who watched his home bombed and family shot grow up with a heart filled with hatred against the United States? It's hard to say.

I guess I am finding it easy to see the costs of this war but I am finding it difficult to see any clear benefits to the average American or even to the average Iraqi beyond "Saddam is gone". Sure, some people will profit from any war but I don't see how this improves my life or the lives of anyone I know. I dont see how the lives of most Iraqis have been improved either.
woozy
post #44  on August 30, 2004 - 12:11 PM PDT  
> I wonder what the statistics are when you compare the numbers of how many Iraqi civilians we've killed this year with the number of Iraqi civilians he killed his last year in office.

Well, the obviously biased Iraq Body Count Project has scoured news and newspapers reporting has the reported deaths at 11,717 to 13,724 but that seems to includes military and americans (Americans was 692 in March).

The numbers I find for people killed under Hussein are roughly 500,000 during the eight year Iran-Iraq war, and 100,000 Kurdish Iraqi. Most like to spread this over the whole 24 year reign and 25,000 a year which is significantly higher than the current war related 13000 in a year and a half. But as a "matter of course" looking at the non-i vs. i war years (during which 67,250 were the yearly average of casualties) the average is 4,200 per year.
PurpleJesus
post #45  on August 30, 2004 - 2:34 PM PDT  
> B) This country is more divided and angry on both sides
> than I've ever seen it in my 35 years, and that's not
> a good thing. (Uniters, not dividers, anyone?)

We have so much hate in us, we even hate ourselves. Somehow we've forgotten that we are all on the planet for the same reason. It may sound tree huggerish, but... I believe we need to find something we can all agree on and work toward that, rather than constantly disagree about things that will never be settled. I'm not saying disagreement is bad, I disagree with everyone I know about just about everything, but there are some few things I agree on and I think pretty much everyone else does too. I want to live. I want to be happy. I want other people to be happy. I want to make a positive impact on the world.

Seems it's no fun to agree anymore. It's no fun to be cohesive and collaborative. We can't even be cohesive as a country, how can we expect it as a world?

>
> C) VOTE.

I probably will. For someone, not sure yet.
sinisterguffaw
post #46  on August 30, 2004 - 2:41 PM PDT  
> > C) VOTE.
>
> I probably will. For someone, not sure yet.
>
> ---------------------------------

JBellows is voting for 1,440 slices of ham, I do believe. Maybe he has some literature about his candidate?
Cinenaut
post #47  on August 30, 2004 - 2:42 PM PDT  
> On August 30, 2004 - 12:09 PM PDT Bowwow wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I am not sure if it really matters if Iraq is better off now than they were under Hussein's rule. "Better off" is a rather subjective term after all. I think it is fair to point out that this war has cost the United States a lot of money and a lot of lives. There also has been quite a lot of lives lost in Iraq as well as a lot of property damage. There are also less tangible costs. Will some kid who watched his home bombed and family shot grow up with a heart filled with hatred against the United States? It's hard to say.
>
> I guess I am finding it easy to see the costs of this war but I am finding it difficult to see any clear benefits to the average American or even to the average Iraqi beyond "Saddam is gone". Sure, some people will profit from any war but I don't see how this improves my life or the lives of anyone I know. I dont see how the lives of most Iraqis have been improved either.
> ---------------------------------

Hear, hear! Furthermore, I don't see what invading Iraq had to do with the "war on terror" or bringing Osama Bin Laden to justice. Leading the American people to believe this war would help stop terrorists when it was really a war to get rid of Saddam was very dishonest.

mci4tx
post #48  on August 30, 2004 - 5:49 PM PDT  
Ah to be the lone conservative amoung so many angry liberals is a thing of wordless beauty. So many things to respond to. "Fuck America" "The Iraqis were better off under Hussein" "Bush is a redneck racist" and oh so many more. Why even try to counter such well thought out and logical statements as these? Well I am sorry I have to leave this debate but I have things I must attend to. I am just utterly stunned that the best the democrats could place in nomination for the President can spark no intrest or support in his own party. Every one here can just bash Bush and America but no one and I say again no one has come out to state why they support kerry on his own merit or what he intends to do to "improve things". He just better that Bush is all I hear. Sad.

I rest my case, maybe not in the victory of converting anyone but more sure of my of beliefs than ever before regarding the liberal view of things( i.e. judge with your heart and not your head). I know mine is a belief in the real America. We can be anyones best freind or their worst enemy, they decide which. We live in a evil world, I support those who would destroy that evil, not try to 'work their differences out' with it. In my mind you are either Churchill (Conservatives) or Chamberlain (Liberal), and we all know how that worked out.

You would think that the constant flow of people into this country and the utter lack of people leaving this country would show how the world really views America. "Those damn Americans, they are so full of themselves and their country I hate them, how can I live there"?


The latest Rasmussen Reports Presidential Tracking Poll shows President George W. Bush with 47% of the vote and Senator John Kerry with 46%.

"Over the past seven days, the candidates have been tied three times, Bush has been up by a single point three times, and Bush was ahead by 3-points for one day. This is the first time since April that Kerry has not been ahead at least once in any seven day stretch" 08-30-04 Rasmussen.com

Uh-Oh! Poor keery, Roll Bush Roll!!

Farewell.....

Oh yeah....FUCK FRANCE!
mci4tx
post #49  on August 30, 2004 - 6:04 PM PDT  
Oh yeah, yeah

Thanks for the deabte. Freedom is nothing if we do not use it. I will take a bunch of passionate Liberals anyday over people who just don't care about the elections. And since this is a moive board, is it just me or has this been a pretty sad years at the movies? Where were the really good summer movies? Did I miss them or what? Other than the Spec Ed of Return Of The King I can not really think of any hollywood movies I care to own coming to DVD either.
(no I am not buying Fahrenheit 9/11 either.......just kidding, just kidding)

I am currently waiting for "City Lights" with C. Chaplin to arrive, I have to go back over 50 years to find a movie I wanna watch! Also waiting for "300 Spartans" to arrive just love them last stand movies! Any other suggestion?

Thanks and again I woulld rather spend my time debating with those I do not agree with that hearing such stupid comments such as "I don't care enough to vote" from some of the idiots that populate this land.

ZenBones
post #50  on August 30, 2004 - 6:06 PM PDT  
> What about Karl Rove?? I'm trying to think of the most evil, manipulative movie character I can and nothing even comes close to the horror that is Karl Rove.

You'll soon get a chance to see Mr. Evil in an entire motion picture, playing himself. I saw a trailer for a documentary about him called "Bush's Brain". It's being released in cinemas and DVD in about a month (GreenCine! Please get this!!). Looks real good (probably depressing as hell though).

I'd say the Bush administration's favorite movies are "The Grifters", and "Snow White and the Seven Dwarves"- with Bush as SW, and Rumsfeld, Wolfowicz, Rice, Rove, Card, Powell, and Jeb Bush who will probably get his brother uh, "re-elected".
If/when that happens I will associate Kerry with "Requiem for a Dream".
woozy
post #51  on August 30, 2004 - 6:19 PM PDT  
> I am currently waiting for "City Lights" with C. Chaplin to arrive, I have to go back over 50 years to find a movie I wanna watch!

You want to watch a movie by a communist sympathizer who was extradited from your beloved America? You surprise me.
mci4tx
post #52  on August 30, 2004 - 6:40 PM PDT  
> On August 30, 2004 - 6:19 PM PDT woozy wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > I am currently waiting for "City Lights" with C. Chaplin to arrive, I have to go back over 50 years to find a movie I wanna watch!
>
> You want to watch a movie by a communist sympathizer who was extradited from your beloved America? You surprise me.
> ---------------------------------
That was decades and decades ago, I guess I can forgive him huh? That's me all forgiveness! Really I just have heard so much about it I wanted to see what all the fuss was about. Anyways I have finished any political talk.....movie board, movie talk from now on.......I would like it if you joined me in that.
woozy
post #53  on August 30, 2004 - 6:43 PM PDT  
>I would like it if you joined me in that.
> ---------------------------------

No, you wouldn't.

mci4tx
post #54  on August 30, 2004 - 7:07 PM PDT  
> On August 30, 2004 - 6:43 PM PDT woozy wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> >I would like it if you joined me in that.
> > ---------------------------------
>
> No, you wouldn't.
>
> OK now who's not being a nice liberal? Do you hate me that much already? I thought you libs were the open minded ones who accepted a person as they are. I meant what I said about enjoying the debate and all. Why can't you accept that? Damn it's the War Hawk extending the Olive Leaf........will you accept it?
> ---------------------------------
ALittlefield
post #55  on August 30, 2004 - 8:17 PM PDT  
OK, thanks for the leaf (Chomp! Chomp!), mmmm, with 1000 Island! So, I'll tell you that CITY LIGHTS is my personal favorite Chaplin movie, it's not as "socially relevant" as MODERN TIMES and THE GREAT DICTATOR, but it has a very moving story, and a hillarious boxing sequence that is as perfectly timed as an Astaire dance routine. Chaplin was famous for doing take after take until a scene was right, and it shows here. And the sweet, moving ending is one of the best ever. All in all, a truly sublime film.
mci4tx
post #56  on August 30, 2004 - 9:01 PM PDT  
> On August 30, 2004 - 8:17 PM PDT ALittlefield wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> OK, thanks for the leaf (Chomp! Chomp!), mmmm, with 1000 Island! So, I'll tell you that CITY LIGHTS is my personal favorite Chaplin movie, it's not as "socially relevant" as MODERN TIMES and THE GREAT DICTATOR, but it has a very moving story, and a hillarious boxing sequence that is as perfectly timed as an Astaire dance routine. Chaplin was famous for doing take after take until a scene was right, and it shows here. And the sweet, moving ending is one of the best ever. All in all, a truly sublime film.
> ---------------------------------
Cool that is just about what I heard about it, the ending is what I most heard about. After this one I will have to check out TIMES & DICTATOR. Man now I can't wait for it too arrive. You know what else I was thinking of...I am a hugh fan and supporter of Apple Computers, I have 3 Apples, a iPod Mini and I even own Apple stock. Now Apple and Steve Jobs (Friggin Genius) are well know for their liberal leanings. Hell Al Gore is on their board of directors. I guess I am in a way helping the very side I am voting aganist huh? AGHHHHHHHH! The irony!

Thanks
woozy
post #57  on August 30, 2004 - 9:06 PM PDT  
> So, I'll tell you that CITY LIGHTS is my personal favorite Chaplin movie,

My favorite is "A Countess from Hong Kong".

(and that statement shows you exactly why you don't want to get in a debate with me about movies)



>it's not as "socially relevant" as MODERN TIMES and THE GREAT DICTATOR,

Some people have said the opening scene of a dedication of a park statue was socialist commentary. (The statue was of popular "noble prolateriat" style and an example of the FDR's public works. The scene depicted a lot of blue-bloods feeling self-important only to have a tramp sleeping on the statue and at one point thumbing his nose at high society.) And the street sweeping scene with the elephant was seen as sympathetic to the downtrodden working man. I think they were grasping at straws and being ridiculous but those things were said...

>but it has a very moving story, and a hillarious boxing sequence that is as perfectly timed as an Astaire dance routine. Chaplin was famous for doing take after take until a scene was right, and it shows here. And the sweet, moving ending is one of the best ever. All in all, a truly sublime film.


It was the first full length chaplin films I ever saw (my family owned a lot of 8 mm 2-reelers that we watched time and time again) and is one of my favorites. The Boxing scene, the suicide prevention, the nightclub scene, all fantastic comedy.

I guess if I had to pick "a" favorite it'd be "The Gold Rush". The level of the physical and prop comedy is the best of any movie ever and although it may seem shallow I prefer Chaplin at his funniest than at his most touching.

"The Circus" is an overlooked and underrated gem. And talk about sweet endings. Cyrano de Bergerac couldn't have declared his unrequited love better.

Hell, everything he did was good. Except...
woozy
post #58  on August 30, 2004 - 9:12 PM PDT  
> Cool that is just about what I heard about it, the ending is what I most heard about. After this one I will have to check out TIMES & DICTATOR.

Dictator is fantastic BUT you must keep in mind the atrocities of Nazi Germany were fantastically underestimated at the time.

>I am a hugh fan and supporter of Apple Computers, I have 3 Apples, a iPod Mini and I even own Apple stock. Now Apple and Steve Jobs (Friggin Genius) are well know for their liberal leanings. Hell Al Gore is on their board of directors. I guess I am in a way helping the very side I am voting aganist huh? AGHHHHHHHH! The irony!


Not to ironic. The military and Mac users are the two most prevalent cults I know...

okay, here goes, ouch, this is hard, uhhnnnnnnnh....

.................. :-) ..............

ahhhh....ow.... Damned smileys....... god, I hate them
ALittlefield
post #59  on August 30, 2004 - 9:18 PM PDT  
> On August 30, 2004 - 9:01 PM PDT mci4tx wrote:
> ---------------------------------
You know what else I was thinking of...I am a hugh fan and supporter of Apple Computers, I have 3 Apples, a iPod Mini and I even own Apple stock. Now Apple and Steve Jobs (Friggin Genius) are well know for their liberal leanings.

Hey, I'm a big Simpsons fan, and they run on Fox, owned by media tyrant/right winger Rupert Murdock. In our modern corporate society, it is darn near impossible to not wind up giving money or support directly or indirectly to some group you don't agree with.

woozy
post #60  on August 30, 2004 - 9:23 PM PDT  
> Hey, I'm a big Simpsons fan, and they run on Fox, owned by media tyrant/right winger Rupert Murdock.


Simpsons! Ha! My favorite! Last night was a mention of a 1983 Time magazine with a cover story of "America's Love affair with Saddam Hussien".
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