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New Orleans, in movies and memories
Topic by: pooja
Posted: September 1, 2005 - 8:18 AM PDT
Last Reply: October 21, 2005 - 9:32 PM PDT

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author topic: New Orleans, in movies and memories
lizzoqops
post #21  on September 2, 2005 - 10:16 PM PDT  
> On September 2, 2005 - 7:53 PM PDT Bowwow wrote:
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> This business in New Orleans is rather disturbing to me. Can our social fabric really break down so easily?
>
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Have you ever seen the movie "Threads"? All about a nuclear attack on Great Britain, and how the threads of society eventually unravel completely.

This thread is a bit disturbing and disheartening.
Bowwow
post #22  on September 2, 2005 - 11:03 PM PDT  
> On September 2, 2005 - 10:16 PM PDT lizzoqops wrote:

>
> Have you ever seen the movie "Threads"? All about a nuclear attack on Great Britain, and how the threads of society eventually unravel completely.
>
> This thread is a bit disturbing and disheartening.
>
> ---------------------------------

No, I havent ever seen that movie (and it doesnt seem to be in GC's catalog - poo!) but I would really like to see it.



pooja
post #23  on September 3, 2005 - 4:51 AM PDT  
> On September 2, 2005 - 10:16 PM PDT lizzoqops wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> This thread is a bit disturbing and disheartening.

Yes, I thought it would be a nice thread about what a lovely place New Orleans was, when I started it... but now we're all venting about the mess.

If you think about it, though, Bowwow, it's not really surprising. Even abroad we heard a lot of news about riots in America. Watts, Chicago, the NY blackout, post Rodney King... it seems to be a part of the American social fabric rather than the social fabric breaking down somehow.

Maybe in a crisis we all play parts in a movie in our heads of how the plot is supposed to play out. In the Japanese movie the people pull together and even the bad guys turn out to be good guys. My housemate says thats how the Yakuza see themselves, and how they're often portrayed in movies.

In the American movie everything falls apart, it's every man for himself, and we follow the good-looking white family who struggle to survive in this "jungle"... Oh, didn't Spielberg just put out a movie like that this summer?

One thing I noticed, I've seen a lot of African American politicians and intellectuals being interviewed about the "racial" aspect of the failure in the evacuation/rescue plans, but I haven't seen any African American faces actually doing anything about this... there's the poor mayor of New Orleans screaming at the federal government, but that's about it. Bush asked his dad and Clinton, two old white guys, to head the relief drive... He should have asked Colin Powell to fly down there and pick up a megaphone. When I was younger there seemed to be no shortage of black leaders who came up during the Civil Rights days who would have jumped right into the fray, but I guess they're all dead or elderly. So what I'm wondering is whether Black America is, when it comes to push and shove, actually split? Bush actively goes after the black conservative religious voters and got a lot of attention for appointing African Americans to high posts in government... Powell, Rice, etc etc. But it looks like he actually has no idea, at the broadest base, what this American race thing is all about. He's only surrounded himself with black success stories with white appeal (Powell, Rice again...) And does he only visit with the parents of white soldiers who were killed in Iraq?
Xtian66
post #24  on September 3, 2005 - 8:52 AM PDT  

>
> frankly i don't think it's right for the cops to be protecting property instead of searching for people, and maybe putting property ahead of people shows a side of new orleans that the bizness folk maybe don't want people outside the city to see.
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That reminds me of the ridiculous pastime of police officers in hot-pursuit. They protect property when they should be protecting and serving the people who cannot protect themselves. In the process of high speed chases they often kill innocent people or panic criminals into doing the same. How is that not like firing into a crowd because you thought you saw a guy who resembled a fellow who robbed a liquor store? The mayor of Nawlins was spot on in his criticism of rescue and relief efforts, but the governer sounded like a reactionary monster. The mayor was affected on a human level, because he saw those broke-ass people as his family, not just his constituants. The Gov just saw a loss of business propositions.
dpowers
post #25  on September 3, 2005 - 9:58 AM PDT  
> If you think about it, though, Bowwow, it's not really surprising. Even abroad we heard a lot of news about riots in America.

let's please remember that ghetto uprisings are not isolated to the USA. my impression is that everywhere there are colonial-era "imported" workers and their descendants, there are tensions, and there are violent uprisings. the populations are larger here and the television cameras have been turned on here for longer than in the other places.

in the southeastern states, there is very weak support for centralized government planning of anything. not only is a disaster like this and a catch-as-catch-can response on the local level not a surprise, neither is the figurehead governor's "shoot 'em" reaction, and neither is the general "to each his own, according to his financing" policies advocated by president dubya and his rich southern cohort.
pooja
post #26  on September 3, 2005 - 10:18 AM PDT  
> On September 3, 2005 - 9:58 AM PDT dpowers wrote:
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> let's please remember that ghetto uprisings are not isolated to the USA.

No of course not. I meant as a percentage of the rest of the news that comes out of America, not as a percentage of global riot news in general. I guess "riots in America" headlines also tend to get played up in the media abroad.

If you look at "riot news" coming out of industrialized nations, what's the profile? England -> soccer hooligans. Current day Russia -> none, they have terrorists instead. Germany, France, Italy -> riots, what riots? China -> gov't approved anti-Japan let-off-the-steam riots. So in that sense (depending on how Ireland is resolved) I am not sure how precisely you can say "ghetto uprisings are not isolated to the USA" if we are talking about the past 5 to 10 years and countries that are above a certain GNP level. But even then, we were talking about looting, not "ghetto uprising" I think. The looting is apparently going on along the coast between Louisiana and Biloxi, too. Regular people are putting up signs that say "looters will be shot" outside their homes.
dpowers
post #27  on September 3, 2005 - 12:09 PM PDT  
it's just so weird to concentrate on the looting when people are dying of hunger and thirst within miles of one of the world's largest industrial areas. doesn't the death of thousands of people who weren't evacuated mean more than small bands of survivors breaking into houses?

concentrating on the looting to me shows people experiencing a crisis of faith, looking for scapegoats.
originaldiva
post #28  on September 3, 2005 - 12:22 PM PDT  
Some of you people are EXTREMELY HEARTLESS.

It's so easy for you to judge folks, sitting in your nice warm home, with your computer and your snack food.

Have you EVER lived from check to check? Do you know what it's like to have $2 in your bank account? Do you have any freakin' clue what it's like to grow up in poverty? Well if you don't, then shut the hell up.

A lot of people didn't leave New Orleans because they could not *afford* to. Even if busses took them out of there, do you think they had any MONEY or CREDIT CARDS to spend $100/night in some price-gouged hotel?

A good friend of mine lives in Florida. When the hurricanes hit in her area last year she hardly had any money to evacuate. She evacuated once, I believe, when it was looking really bad. Each evacation cost her upwards of $1000 or more. She works her ass off but just can't AFFORD that. OK?

If you can't understand why poor people would stay in their homes then you are completely myopic at best, and stupid at worst.

Furthermore, I have no problem with people looting *anything* and especially food, as the whole damn city is destroyed anyway.

I'll tell you what - if Los Angeles falls into anarchy (where I live) due to some natural disaster, I am looting whatever the hell I can from the grocerty store around the corner to save my ass and the people around me. Trust me, you'd do the same too, rather than starve.

One more thing: The New Orleans mayor made an excellent point on the radio that many of those getting violent are drug addicts who can't get their fix to "take the edge off" and are in desperate straits. Probably mentally ill. I have good friends who are white and white collar struggling with drug addiction so shut up on your judgment of drug addicts too.

I have spent the week horrified and shocked at the treatment of our people. Once again, poor people, sick people, and children get reamed up the ass. I have been crying and upset because I HAVE A FREAKIN' HEART.

And if you can't have sympathy for those poor people, I hope you are the one who gets it the next time a disaster befalls our country. Then mabye you'll get a clue.



pooja
post #29  on September 3, 2005 - 12:26 PM PDT  
> On September 3, 2005 - 12:09 PM PDT dpowers wrote:
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> it's just so weird to concentrate on the looting

It IS weird. But I almost feel like the media are conditioned to look for it, waiting for it to happen in a situation where a large number of people are under stress. I bet it's on the mental (if not physical) checklist the news producers have when they go in. They always look for the same human interest stories and the same "horror" stories that are so typical on American television. And the cops and government authorities KNOW what is going to be covered by the media, so in reaction they assign police to patrol for looters or make speeches about zero tolerance. Those cops fighting with looters makes such good action footage, right?

I think when disasters happen in some other countries, there is probably looting too, and other crimes. But perhaps there is less media attention or public interest in it.

I guess it is a bit cynical way to look at it, but its a viscious cycle... the audience outside the affected area sit on their couches and one of the things they expect to see as tensions rise is looting, or a riot. News crews and police mobilize almost simultaneously for this eventuality. The event is filmed and broadcast, and the people on the couch say, "I knew it! Tut tut!" This is sandwiched between the feel-good story like some lady finally reaching her daughter on a cell phone, and maybe a cute story like a puppy that miraculously survived or something. Then they cut to an interview with a heroic aerial rescue officer. Those are the standard elements of "the American Story" aren't they?
pooja
post #30  on September 3, 2005 - 12:36 PM PDT  
> On September 3, 2005 - 12:22 PM PDT originaldiva wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Some of you people are EXTREMELY HEARTLESS.
>
> If you can't understand why poor people would stay in their homes then you are completely myopic at best, and stupid at worst.

Hey, you are talking about Bush (and Battie) right? No one else is condemning the looting per se, more like deploring the decisions that left those poor people there in the first place, then let them try to survive on their own without aid.

I'm only against the looting if there was a viable alternative (a safe place with plenty of food and shelter and valid authority to follow) or if they are doing it for opportunistic profit (jewelry stores, pawn shops, etc.)

I think what makes me upset is that the government has allowed things to get that far out of hand, and then realizing that I'm not that surprised that the government let things get so far out of hand...
originaldiva
post #31  on September 3, 2005 - 12:38 PM PDT  
> On September 1, 2005 - 9:11 PM PDT Battie wrote:
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> I'm going to have a rare moment of total, disgusting honesty and say I feel...absolutely nothing. This hurricane does not affect me personally and even after seeing images from television, I just feel mildly amused (contempt breeds amusement). On my good days, I would feel really bad. And I actually did feel really bad for tsunami victims, even during my off days. But for these idiots...the excuse that they didn't have the money to get out doesn't really hold up. Buses, paying off someone to take you with them, etc. I really, really doubt it was impossible for them to get out, barring those with medical needs that kept them from leaving. The children...those I feel for. But adults? May they rot. And I do hope every gun-toting punk in New Orleans gets "accidentally" shot by the National Guard.
> ---------------------------------

You know, I get more and more disgusted the more I think about what you said.

Beyond what I've already posted about the cost of leaving (when you have no money, no credit cards, and no family to go to)...what if someone just made an honest-to-goodness poor judgment call?

Should someone be TORTURED, starved, dehydrated, and DROWNED TO DEATH over a poor judgment call? When you live in an area where most people are *used* to riding out hurricances and no-one's ever seen destruction on this scale? Do you understand that many people who lived in New Orleans had never left the city in their ENTIRE LIVES? Are you completely ignorant of the socio-cultural and political issues with this?

Beyond all that - are you completely cold and heartless?

How about we kill YOU for all the mistakes you made in your life? How about we leave you in your house and fill it up with water until you've got it up to your neck in the attack, and then leave you there until the fire ants come and eat your face off while you starve and die of dehyrdation with WATER all around you.

I am NOT exaggerating! This is happening to people RIGHT NOW AT THIS VERY MOMENT!

Jesus.

Get a freakin' heart, tin man. Or go to hell with your self-righteous ass.




originaldiva
post #32  on September 3, 2005 - 12:42 PM PDT  
> On September 3, 2005 - 12:36 PM PDT pooja wrote:
> Hey, you are talking about Bush (and Battie) right? No one else is condemning the looting per se, more like deploring the decisions that left those poor people there in the first place, then let them try to survive on their own without aid.
> ---------------------------------

What is bothering me about this thread is not only what Battie said, but that no-one else stood up to call him on it.



pooja
post #33  on September 3, 2005 - 12:47 PM PDT  
> On September 3, 2005 - 12:22 PM PDT originaldiva wrote:
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> One more thing: The New Orleans mayor made an excellent point on the radio that many of those getting violent are drug addicts who can't get their fix to "take the edge off" and are in desperate straits. Probably mentally ill. I have good friends who are white and white collar struggling with drug addiction so shut up on your judgment of drug addicts too.

Are you actually saying that drug addicts should be allowed to hurt innocent people? Taking "the edge off" is one thing, but shooting or clubbing or raping others should be judged harshly, no? Talk about HEARTLESS...
originaldiva
post #34  on September 3, 2005 - 12:52 PM PDT  
> On September 3, 2005 - 12:47 PM PDT pooja wrote:
> Are you actually saying that drug addicts should be allowed to hurt innocent people? Taking "the edge off" is one thing, but shooting or clubbing or raping others should be judged harshly, no? Talk about HEARTLESS...
> ---------------------------------

Drugs make people insane. I've seen it first hand. I don't condone what they did but I am trying to explain why some of this stuff is happening. There needs to be a deeper understanding here.

Unfortunately, some people seem to be unconsciously making the connection that a few wacked out violent people are representatve of poor black people in New Orleans, when they are not.

It's funny how our dominant white culture can be. We'll eat the gumbo, enjoy the cajun spices, listen to the jazz music, and take all the rich culture that blacks in the south have given us, but then immediately start to blame them when something bad happens.



pooja
post #35  on September 3, 2005 - 12:54 PM PDT  
> On September 3, 2005 - 12:42 PM PDT originaldiva wrote:
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> What is bothering me about this thread is not only what Battie said, but that no-one else stood up to call him on it.

Sorry, originaldiva, but if you've spent any time hanging out on any of the anime threads like I have (and dpowers, I'm sure), you wouldn't take everything she says so seriously. Battie is batty, and we're not the batty-police. Maybe you should take a deep breath because fighting each other here doesn't really accomplish anything...
originaldiva
post #36  on September 3, 2005 - 12:57 PM PDT  
> On September 3, 2005 - 12:54 PM PDT pooja wrote:
> Sorry, originaldiva, but if you've spent any time hanging out on any of the anime threads like I have (and dpowers, I'm sure), you wouldn't take everything she says so seriously. Battie is batty, and we're not the batty-police. Maybe you should take a deep breath because fighting each other here doesn't really accomplish anything...
> ---------------------------------

I am not going to keep my mouth shut when someone says something so cruel and bordering on genocidal, at a time of national crisis.

Take what I say and throw it out the window, but I cannot with all conscious just keep my mouth shut when someone so obviously misinformed is part of our democracy. You get enough people like that around and...oh...geee....exactly what happened this week will happen again, where "those people" who "deserved it" get to die and starve.

pooja
post #37  on September 3, 2005 - 1:02 PM PDT  
> On September 3, 2005 - 12:52 PM PDT originaldiva wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Unfortunately, some people seem to be unconsciously making the connection that a few wacked out violent people are representatve of poor black people in New Orleans, when they are not.

If you take a step back from the Battie rant you'd see that that's similar to what I'm saying... The way the media covers this story is dependent on a unstated/unwritten "script" to an extent, and what viewers see (what the networks think the viewers want to see) work to reinforce those expectations.

Sometimes producers actually work very hard to force their stories to follow a certain arc... there's a preconception of what makes a "good story"...
lizzoqops
post #38  on September 3, 2005 - 1:23 PM PDT  
I try to only rant and rave in threads that I start, but people who can say they feel nothing, yeah, that's what I meant by disheartening.
pooja
post #39  on September 3, 2005 - 1:46 PM PDT  
Frankly I didn't think this thread would descend so quickly into politics and social criticism... I was hoping to hear about New Orleans visits and movies, and maybe from GreenCine members from the affected states to hear if they are okay. These discussion threads are all kind of weird because I was expecting more discussion of movies and documentaries and things like that, but instead there's a lot of ranting and talking about boobies. I was at least trying to steer the discussion back to media coverage, but hey, that's not how things are, here, eh?
Battie
post #40  on September 3, 2005 - 3:24 PM PDT  
Hmm...Battie is a she. ^_^ And yes, I can be cold and heartless. Thank you.

Originaldiva, step back and ask why you are so angry. Because I expressed an opinion that you know, in the back of your mind, a lot of people are having? They assauge their guilt by giving a donation, and then forget all about it, at least after they get a bit of entertainment watching almost-snuff footage.

To be honest, if I didn't believe that people WERE sitting on their asses at home watching the New Orleans footage, I might feel a little more compassionate.

As for you ridiculous rant about being poor and having a drug addiction...I'm in Texas. We tend to have a LOT of families living under or at the poverty level. I did not have JACK until I got my first job. My mother was addicted to alcohol, pills, and men. My grandfather's side of the family had maybe ONE person until my brother and I who didn't find themselves addicted to something. And we still have a lifetime to go. *snort* Making excuses for drug addicts is b.s. If they were really jonesing that bad, they'd commit suicide with those lovely guns they stole. ;)

Frankly, while I feel pity for people who have lost everything, my pity for those who didn't leave AND COULD HAVE is almost nothing. Or maybe I should say...I feel sorry for the situation they are in currently, but I also think that many of them brought it on themselves for not leaving. This does not mean I think they should stay there and rot. This does not mean I don't feel sorry for their kids. Blame my views on my upbringing; my mother would've laughed her ass off before beating the crap out of me if I'd done what many of those people did, simply for the fact that there is no excuse for not relying on yourself for survival when ALL ELSE FAILS. Americans have forgotten the first thing most animals learn.

As for leaving...people have been surviving for centuries. We only had cars and credit cards in the last century.

I'm not blaming blacks. I'm blaming each individual person, white, black, or a rich shade of neon green! If I refuse to get out my lovely trailer when there's a tornado heading my way...Oh well!

And if you're really bothered so much by what's happened, try changing what helped cause it in the first place. You may spend your lifetime and barely get anywhere, but at least you can actually point at others and have reason to rant. Frankly, were I actually in that city, I would be helping others and trying to keep the peace between the desperate and the craven. But it was STILL stupid for many of them to stay.

Plus, my original post that sparked this rant of yours was written in a pissed off mood and was partially meant to prod peoples' buttons because I WAS pissed off at the media's handling of it and this weird outpouring of grief and compassion that seems as fake as the patriotism after 9/11.

Grrr...I hate defending my opinions. It always pushes what I actually felt to extremes.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Paja, what you said about it being sandwiched between a feel-good story is WHAT makes me so sick about television news. And it's why I can't feel compassion after seeing it. Before, I felt pretty bad. After, it was all disgust and bitter amusement.

But back onto your original topic:

Movies...The Big Easy. I've only seen bits, but every friend I have over 25 swears it's the hottest thing ever. :P Seems like Zalman King did something set in Louisiana, too. A lot of my favorite eroticas/erotic romances have been set in Lousiana and New Orleans. :P

Actually, I think the destruction of the city sucks. I wanted to live there for a few months, at least. I love blues and jazz, but Dallas only has a few venues for it. A buddy of mine (who, incidentally, now lives in Alabama) said the music there was amazing when he went. There's just something about a city with so much culture. Like it has resisted modernization and time itself to hold onto its roots.
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