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Cow Cruelty Changing Your Eating Habits?
Topic by: manuelvillanueva
Posted: February 9, 2008 - 11:53 PM PST
Last Reply: February 15, 2008 - 1:35 PM PST

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author topic: Cow Cruelty Changing Your Eating Habits?
manuelvillanueva
post #1  on February 9, 2008 - 11:53 PM PST  
I'm sure you've heard news of a major meat supplier shut down due to cruelty. Do events such as this influence what you eat? I've cut down on beef years ago after watching a PETA expose video: The thought of eating beef bothered me after seeing it. I used to love steak but I've lost my taste for it. We eat more seafood and chicken now.

I wonder what type of marketing campaign the cattle industry will come up with now? A pampered Bessie euthanized Soylent Green style?
Battie
post #2  on February 10, 2008 - 2:12 PM PST  
> On February 9, 2008 - 11:53 PM PST manuelvillanueva wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I'm sure you've heard news of a major meat supplier shut down due to cruelty. Do events such as this influence what you eat? I've cut down on beef years ago after watching a PETA expose video: The thought of eating beef bothered me after seeing it. I used to love steak but I've lost my taste for it. We eat more seafood and chicken now.
>
> I wonder what type of marketing campaign the cattle industry will come up with now? A pampered Bessie euthanized Soylent Green style?
> ---------------------------------

I watched Our Daily Bread...that made me want to stop eating meat, but I'm too fond of it to stop. Besides, chickens are treated just as bad. At least the cows get to roam for the duration of their life. Most of them, anyway.

Ultimately, eating meat means killing another animal. So even if it's 'humane'...you're still killing an animal and death is never likely to be painless in those cases. I've come to terms with my meat vs. animals issues: I've got steak in the freezer.
doozer
post #3  on February 10, 2008 - 2:55 PM PST  
For a psychology project 3 or 4 years ago I talked a few friends into changing eating "lifestyles" for 28 days (ie: I had some go vegetarian and some go vegan). I used whatever I could to help keep them on track. Including PETA videos. After the 28 days most of us kept up with our newfound habits. I stayed vegetarian for about a year (I could no longer fight the lure of poultry) but today one of my friends is still a vegetarian, and one of them is even still vegan.

If it's the animal cruelty that bothers you, but you still want to eat meat..I suggest looking into buying free-range.
troublemaker
post #4  on February 10, 2008 - 7:01 PM PST  
> On February 10, 2008 - 2:55 PM PST doozer wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> For a psychology project 3 or 4 years ago I talked a few friends into changing eating "lifestyles" for 28 days (ie: I had some go vegetarian and some go vegan). I used whatever I could to help keep them on track. Including PETA videos. After the 28 days most of us kept up with our newfound habits. I stayed vegetarian for about a year (I could no longer fight the lure of poultry) but today one of my friends is still a vegetarian, and one of them is even still vegan.

> ---------------------------------

That takes me back to high school where our health teacher challenged us to take a break from drinking soda for a month. After all was said in done, I think at least half of those who did it continued to limit their soda drinking. Funny how it stuck, but ever since then it's been all water and beer for me ;)

As for meat.. I'm way too much of a carnivore to ever consider not eating it. Watching informational videos probably wouldn't help either. I've got no willpower when it comes to a steak. I'd probably just end up eating it with a heavy dose of guilt.

I do go out of my way to purchase free-range poultry and eggs though.
manuelvillanueva
post #5  on February 10, 2008 - 8:05 PM PST  
Battie: I'm sure chickens are treated even worse--I just don't see those big sad cow eyes staring back at me in my chicken alfredo. I've never heard of Our Daily Bread. Sounds like an interesting movie although I don't think I'm ready for it right now. Have you seen Arjuna? It would probably be the anime equivalent of Our Daily Bread.

doozer: I'll try looking into "free range" products. I grew up on a small farm where our animals roamed the fields--ever been chased by a bull? We treated our animals more like pets; many of them were. Modern day farms look more like heartless assembly lines. I'd be ashamed owning such an abomination. I don't think most people put much thought into what goes into their food. I didn't even know how veal was raised until I watched The Simpsons.

troublemaker: Hopefully, you wouldn't feel guilty after that.

I'm not religious but like the notion of saying grace or itadakimasu in appreciation of your meal.
Vanamonde
post #6  on February 10, 2008 - 9:17 PM PST  
A researcher in Holland is working on a method of growing meat - muscles cells only, with fat cells "marbled" in it, in jars. This was an off-shoot of research in growing human skins for transplants.

Cow flesh, chicken flesh, duck flesh (my favorite!), pig flesh that never had a nervous system.

I hope it works and can be made economical. It would be nice on those long flights to Mars as well provide no further justification for the industrial cruelty of the corportate slaughterhouse.
Vanamonde
post #7  on February 10, 2008 - 9:20 PM PST  
I forgot to add, I did really enjoy Arjuna, although the trailer had me believe the animation would have been better. I found the trailer on a .hack//SIGN DVD and Arjuna does hold a candle to the quality of that anime. Still, the story does move a lot faster.

Some .hack//SIGN episodes are prefect antidotes for insomnia.
doozer
post #8  on February 10, 2008 - 11:01 PM PST  
Troublemaker:


Beer and water you say? We must be related ^_^

The project was an independent one for extra credit that I didn't need (queue the "nerd" sneeze) that was inspired by the saying: it takes 28 days to make or break a habit. My curiosity was..habit..yes..but how about a lifestyle? I figured save for breathing, eating what we want would be a pretty interesting thing to test that on if one wasn't motivated by a health risk, or personal beliefs to change it right away. Nope. The only motivation was a crazy and curious redhead. My friends are too good to me. After a year of forced vegetarianism I missed chicken way too much and now I still kinda hate vegetables. My boyfriend at the time tried to help me justify it by telling me that chicken is just fruit with legs.

There was another study I wanted to do after that, but didn't have the time what with full time school and work. Also I wasn't so sure if I could find other friends willing to let me control their meals ^_^ It is thought that humans who are unhappy tend to be less healthy than those who are well adjusted or genuinely happy. It is known that certain amounts of certain chemicals in the body can lead to unhappiness, but it is also suggested that environmental and situational unhappiness can effect chemical levels negatively. I wanted to apply these concepts to animals used for food. Assume that the general animals bred for food are mistreated as well as forced to live in poor conditions would be unhappy thus, less healthy. Under the same assumption, free range animals are treated better, thus, healthier. Assume the levels of chemicals and hormones in these animals vary depending how they "feel". Can this be passed on to humans via ingestion? I wanted to take 2 groups and feed one animal products ONLY from the presumed mistreated animals, and feed the other ONLY free-range. After tracking how they felt both physically and mentally over a certain amount of time, I was going to switch the animal products without their knowing, and track the same data over the same period of time to see if there were any significant differences.

I have no idea why I was so interested in those things at the time. I think it was because I was a wacky 19 year old dating a roadie for the band Goldfinger, who's lead singer was a hardcore PETA activist at the time and kicked my boyfriend off the tour buss for eating a cheese sandwich.




manuelvillanueva:

I grew up on a farm myself and as a matter of fact, have been chased by a bull ^_^ Lucky for me there was a pond for me to jump in quickly, and a bright red bush to distract it.
kaream
post #9  on February 11, 2008 - 2:12 AM PST  
Rent Franju's Eyes Without a Face (a great movie, BTW), and watch his short documentary that's on the same disc, 'Blood of the Beasts'.
manuelvillanueva
post #10  on February 11, 2008 - 4:17 AM PST  
Vanamode: Maybe this NASA in vitro research will spin off like the Tempur-Pedic mattress. I haven't seen .hack//SIGN yet. I'll add it to my list. I've seen bits of it on Cartoon Network but couldn't make sense of it.

kaream: My wife saw this on TCM. Interesting plot. I don't think the documentary was included.
kaream
post #11  on February 11, 2008 - 11:51 AM PST  
> On February 11, 2008 - 4:17 AM PST manuelvillanueva wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> kaream: My wife saw this on TCM. Interesting plot. I don't think the documentary was included.
> ---------------------------------

Yeah, the short on the disc has nothing to do with the movie or its subject; it's a gruesome 1949 documentary about a Paris abattoire, worth getting the DVD just to see that.

See IMDb's description: Le Sang des Betes.
underdog
post #12  on February 11, 2008 - 11:56 AM PST  
If you still want to eat meats, I'm with those who suggest eating free-range chicken and grass-fed beef. (Actually, I stopped eating red meat years ago, though that was more for health, as I always had trouble digesting it.) But I have friends who still eat beef who swear the taste quality is so much higher with grass-fed beef - as an example, if you're in San Francisco, try a burger from Burgermeister. A lot of restaurants now offer this exclusively. Or steak in Argentina compared to steak in this country is supposedly remarkably different and superior. And that's separate from how much better the quality of life is for the animals. I heard a guy interviewed on NPR the other day who wrote a book about this who likes to say, "These animals live a high quality life and are happy -- until the final moments of it." That's the difference.

I sort of disagree with Battie when you said "at least cows can roam somewhat." They can if they're grass-fed cows on a non-corporate farm. The majority of beef in this country still comes from animals that are raised in inhumane conditions in close quarters and can hardly roam much at all. So while I think people can still justify eating meat, I hope we get to the point where we wean ourselves off corporate, non-grass fed beef and non-free range chicken. It's better quality meat and a better quality life.


underdog
post #13  on February 11, 2008 - 11:58 AM PST  
Not to mention cattle's effect on both global warming and on environmental devastation across the globe. I know it's not their fault, but the less cows the better.
NLee
post #14  on February 11, 2008 - 12:27 PM PST  
> On February 11, 2008 - 11:58 AM PST underdog wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Not to mention cattle's effect on both global warming and on environmental devastation across the globe. I know it's not their fault, but the less cows the better.
> ---------------------------------

Actually, the less people the better.

(In the context of global warming and environmental devastation, at least)
underdog
post #15  on February 11, 2008 - 1:22 PM PST  
> On February 11, 2008 - 12:27 PM PST NLee wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On February 11, 2008 - 11:58 AM PST underdog wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > Not to mention cattle's effect on both global warming and on environmental devastation across the globe. I know it's not their fault, but the less cows the better.
> > ---------------------------------
>
> Actually, the less people the better.
>
> (In the context of global warming and environmental devastation, at least)
>
> ---------------------------------

Well that goes without saying, but you're right. Now if only cows also started eating people, we might be heading in the right direction.

Soylent Green - It's the wave of the future!

IronS
post #16  on February 11, 2008 - 7:35 PM PST  
I get my beef from these guys. Aside from being organic and free-range, the meat is from closed herds thereby minimizing the likelihood of mad cow or other diseases.

As for the health benefits, you try to get enough B-12, taurine or zinc or other minerals from a vegetarian diet (without lots of supplements).
Vanamonde
post #17  on February 11, 2008 - 8:14 PM PST  
> On February 11, 2008 - 7:35 PM PST IronS wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> As for the health benefits, you try to get enough B-12, taurine or zinc or other minerals from a vegetarian diet (without lots of supplements).
> ---------------------------------

The B-12 risk is usually overstated. Most of us have reserves enough to last years. And there is brewer's years.

Still, I be a meat eater. I love the flesh.

"Rich man eats what he wants,
Poor man eats what he can."

If I was rich, I would eat Kobe beef. Those cows are so well treated....until the end. Or Red River Ranch (literally on the Texas side of the Red River). These guys are raised on native grass and eat only what grows wild. Taste a bit like venison and taste.

But both are beyond my budget for everyday meals. So it be Whataburger for me.

Battie
post #18  on February 12, 2008 - 12:44 AM PST  
> On February 11, 2008 - 8:14 PM PST Vanamonde wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> "Rich man eats what he wants,
> Poor man eats what he can."
>

Kind of what I was thinking.

> If I was rich, I would eat Kobe beef. Those cows are so well treated....until the end. Or Red River Ranch (literally on the Texas side of the Red River). These guys are raised on native grass and eat only what grows wild. Taste a bit like venison and taste.
>
> But both are beyond my budget for everyday meals. So it be Whataburger for me.
> ---------------------------------

Ahh, I have compassion for the little animals, but if everyone (or even a good number of them) started demanding 'free-range' meat, you'd see more forests cut down for grazing land, more wild prairie gone to grazing land, higher prices for plants (since land itself would be higher, thanks to demand for grazing land), and so on. This is, of course, if most of our beef comes from penned cows. I believe you..sort of.

What I wonder is...if everything is corporate and cows are raised in pens...what are my neighbors doing with 'free-range' cattle? And why are free-range cattle all over Texas? Can't go five miles without seeing a herd in most places! One or two in some (aaahh, the sweet smell of manure!)


Either way, I'll eat what I'll eat. I'd prefer 'organic' in the sense that I think eating synthetic hormones is probably a bad idea, but I'm not too keen on free-range simply because I don't see it as economically or environmentally feasible. If it were just the U.S., maybe..but we ain't the only people who eat meat.
Battie
post #19  on February 12, 2008 - 12:47 AM PST  
Err...and being vegan or vegetarian (the difference?) isn't likely when the only veggies you like are beans, green peas, black-eyed peas, corn, potatoes, sweet potatoes and a smattering of fruit (quite a bit of fruit, actually).

Me likee meat!
troublemaker
post #20  on February 12, 2008 - 1:13 AM PST  
> On February 12, 2008 - 12:47 AM PST Battie wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Err...and being vegan or vegetarian (the difference?) isn't likely when the only veggies you like are beans, green peas, black-eyed peas, corn, potatoes, sweet potatoes and a smattering of fruit (quite a bit of fruit, actually).
>
> Me likee meat!
> ---------------------------------

Hmm.. I must not have eaten enough dinner tonight because after coming back to this thread I lost my train of thought and started to get hungry again. Not to veer off topic but I can't wait for the weather to get better so I can bbq again.
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