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topic: VOTE! Voting issues, anecdotes, etc. |
hamano
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post #41
on November 6, 2008 - 5:07 AM PST
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Ballot initiatives are a stupid way to govern. Why do you Californians bother electing legislators if you're creating laws by direct democracy?
Highly motivated conservatives and right-wingers will always have the edge on a ballot initiative because they have a larger pool of "dumb sheep" voters to send to the voting booth. Prop 13, which cut funding for local schools by capping property tax, helped make sure of THAT by dropping the standard of education in CA from one of the top in the US to about 40th.
Still, the issue is actually being put up there, which is more than you can say for 47 other states including the one I live in. You'll just have to keep hammering away at it. |
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post #42
on November 7, 2008 - 12:53 PM PST
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| Well, ballot initiatives are a way to go around legislators who are too worried about losing their political seats or dirtying up their political name to affect change. Also on California's ballot was a measure to take away redistricting from legislators who like to redestrict in way that insure they win (California and Texas are especially notorious for this). My state went 44% for Obama and yet we have very few Democrats in political office. On the plus side, the Dallas sheriff won reelection. We still have a Hispanic lesbian ex-FBI agent for sheriff. Yay! |
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shiftless
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post #43
on November 8, 2008 - 1:40 AM PST
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| Wow that was the most fun I've had at a protest ever! Thousands marched in SF. I got in the Chron and on TV. 5 hours is a long time to march though....zzzz.... |
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Vanamonde
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post #44
on November 8, 2008 - 7:28 PM PST
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> On November 6, 2008 - 2:19 AM PST Catullus wrote:
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> well shiftless ill be blunt and a bit rude to why it didn't pass
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As an old person myself, I have to just come out and fraking AGREE with you! Most of the people who have survived to my age are both STUP and PID at the same time.
I hate hanging about them.
Sorry about the world we have left you of the younger generation. Some of us tried to stop the evil conservative takeover of the 60's and the years and years of degradation but we were so outvoted. By those same stupid people.
Obama won by reaching out to the younger generation. I pray you save the world! |
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Vanamonde
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post #45
on November 8, 2008 - 7:34 PM PST
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> On November 4, 2008 - 8:10 PM PST hamano wrote:
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> Yihaaa yahoo yipee!
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> And now, in congratulations, the citizens of Obama-city Japan will sing you a song.
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Eeek. People, there is a whole lot of soooo much better J-pop in the world! This for some reason reminds of the Banana-Splits and that is not a good thang.
And it is always sad to see a Japanese girl in a cowboy hat, at least to me. Unless it is Komatsu Ayaka. She looks good in ANYTHING. I think if she was covered from head to toe in a bad, she would still make me all doki-doki. |
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underdog
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post #46
on November 10, 2008 - 11:27 AM PST
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There is some merit to this -- Prop 8 was rejected pretty overwhelmingly in California by voters 30 and under. From this you can presume, or at least hope, that the younger generations are less homophobic than the older generations, each less so than the previous. (Other demographic breakdowns of similar measures show similar results.) It's also been surmised that in general (not unilaterally) younger generations are less likely to be consistent churchgoers, and thus less likely to have been recommended or told to vote in "defense of traditional marriage." So while these are only assumptions made based on some of the data, if true they could give those who are more progressive some hope for the future, indeed.
Still, I know a lot of old folks in Florida who voted for Obama, for what that's worth. ;-) |
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shiftless
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post #47
on November 11, 2008 - 12:37 AM PST
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with so many ex-new yorkers living in Florida, it always surprises me that it isn't more Democrat-leaning. My friend who lives there said there were no protests over the anti-gay amendment passed there.
However, and this is telling about Florida, another measure that would have struck some very old laws banning Asians from owning property from the books FAILED to pass. Why isn't that getting more attention?!? |
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underdog
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post #48
on November 11, 2008 - 12:32 PM PST
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| Keep in mind that Florida is a very oddly divided state, I guess you could even call it diverse, though I'd just call it odd. Down in the southeast part of the state it is a lot of ex-New Yorkers and Jewish retirees and so on. The west coast also has a lot of retirees though maybe a bit more conservative. Then there are a couple of college towns which are hard to peg. Then there is the more NASCAR-loving (not to stereotype but) rednecky crowd in the panhandle and Jacksonville area and in other parts of the state. You thought California was odd -- the demographics in Florida will make your hair stand on end just thinking about it. |
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hamano
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post #49
on November 11, 2008 - 3:27 PM PST
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| Even in southern Florida there's a politically very vocal and influential Cuban American population which has been firmly conservative/Republican, until recently anyway. There's beginning to be some backlash in the Latino community so Dems are making an inroad... |
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hamano
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post #50
on November 11, 2008 - 3:30 PM PST
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| And many older Jews have been leaning the way Joe Lieberman leans, almost militantly pro-Israel, and you KNOW how much Governor Palin loves the Jews and Israel! |
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underdog
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post #51
on November 11, 2008 - 4:05 PM PST
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> On November 11, 2008 - 3:30 PM PST hamano wrote:
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> And many older Jews have been leaning the way Joe Lieberman leans, almost militantly pro-Israel, and you KNOW how much Governor Palin loves the Jews and Israel!
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Well that didn't work did it? All the old Jews in Florida I know (and their friends and their friends) were terrified of Sarah Palin and made a point of saying so. While they had some doubts about Obama they were reassure a bit by his words and Biden's reassurances and alliances with Israel. Palin was the big nail in the coffin for the Jewish vote in Florida, seriously.
Good point about Cuban voters, too, that's yet another complication in the Florida demographic. |
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weezy
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post #52
on November 12, 2008 - 11:29 AM PST
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| I believe these Jewish voters we speak of may have been swayed by the The Great Schlep, as well ^_^ |
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kaream
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post #53
on November 12, 2008 - 2:56 PM PST
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> On November 12, 2008 - 11:29 AM PST weezy wrote:
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> I believe these Jewish voters we speak of may have been swayed by the The Great Schlep, as well ^_^
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Did I hear that right? Sarah Silverman says Barack Obama is "circumsupercised"? Or "circumsupersized"? How the hell would she know that, either one?
Either way, it sounds pretty offensive to me. If I heard her right. |
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underdog
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post #54
on November 12, 2008 - 4:23 PM PST
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| I believe Sarah Silverman's schtick is to be offensive, or to push the boundaries of PC-ness but in a sweet, satirical way. Basically she plays a character (on her eponymous show, too) who is a parody of herself, who is blithely offensive without realizing it. Anyway, personally I thought the ad pretty funny... |
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