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Erotic film
Topic by: langmike
Posted: August 26, 2007 - 1:23 PM PDT
Last Reply: March 22, 2008 - 4:18 AM PDT

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author topic: Erotic film
langmike
post #1  on August 26, 2007 - 1:23 PM PDT  
I have an interes in foreign and independent films that push the limits, Expecially fillms that contain explicit or unsimulated sex. Can anyone suggest any films to view?
woozy
post #2  on August 26, 2007 - 2:30 PM PDT  
*sigh*

It's a fair question and good luck with it but, sheesh! Repeating the same question under for different threads isn't going to get you any more answers. In some bulletin board cultures such behavior is considered rude.

Unsimulated sex, huh. Well, most hard-core porn has that so you could browse BlueCine. But if you want "legitimate" films the only two I know are the mostly pointless French Baise Moi which has lots of penetration shots (uh, there are actualy people who *want* to see this rather the clean sweet soft-core bare clean boobies? Oh well, no accounting for tastes) and The Brown Bunny which, unseen by me, supposedly has a real blow job scene. Actually, Taxi zum Klo has real blow jobs. There are probably others with unsimulated sex that I know about but simply aren't coming to mind.
woozy
post #3  on August 26, 2007 - 2:33 PM PDT  
Okay, a google search revealed this Wikipedia page. Enjoy!
langmike
post #4  on August 26, 2007 - 7:32 PM PDT  
> On August 26, 2007 - 2:33 PM PDT woozy wrote:
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> Okay, a google search revealed this Wikipedia page. Enjoy!
> ---------------------------------
First off, I apologize. I belong to groups online and see people post similar comments on multiple threads. It never dawned on me that this was rude. I certainly wasn't insulted seeing a similar post on multiple threads. Secondly, from what I have seen so far, these type of movies are interesting because they push the limits, not in any way a replacement for pornography.

Thanks for your input, I hope others will have suggestions as well.

Battie
post #5  on August 26, 2007 - 8:48 PM PDT  
I've seen Shortbus, which wasn't that great. The rather cheery song played throughout I later heard in a theater and I think I blushed fire-red. Heh. It was mostly just a lot of sex. Nothing really erotic about it that I can recall. And while it may mark me more prudish than I usually lead people to believe, the threesome gay sex scene (involding something that starts with an R) grossed me out.

Irreversible isn't something I'll ever recommend. I believe it gave me nightmares. Nada erotic about that unless you're into Mapplethorpe-esque scenes.


Not on Wiki's list: Lie with Me, which was fairly erotic (though at some point I got bored). I don't think it had any unsimulated sex, but it wasn't leery of very...ah, "well-done"? simulated sex.

Lila Says, which was erotic but had zero sex, simulated or not.

The Book of Revelation which had at least unsimulated masturbation, but it's not really an erotic film. Well...*ponders* I wasn't into what was going on, but if he'd been wiling...Oooh, yeah. Which was the point HE made. Heh. But it was more like sad and horrifying. Certainly interesting, and I was surprised with over how I couldn't stop watching it. In retrospect, it was actually a pretty good flick.


And, of course, you can always count on Zalman King for really hot *simulated* sex. And a good soundtrack.


Why is it that talking about super-perverted hentai doesn't make me feel like a dirty perv, but talking about "mainstream" erotic film does? >_>
artifex
post #6  on August 27, 2007 - 12:27 AM PDT  
> On August 26, 2007 - 8:48 PM PDT Battie wrote:
>(involding something that starts with an R)

You mean a vibrator? Rrrrrrrrr.... (haven't seen the movie)

So, what movies have you seen besides porn that you feel push the limits, langmike? "Un Chien Andalou" pushed the limits. So did the first IMAX.
langmike
post #7  on August 27, 2007 - 9:08 AM PDT  
> On August 27, 2007 - 12:27 AM PDT artifex wrote:
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> > On August 26, 2007 - 8:48 PM PDT Battie wrote:
> >(involding something that starts with an R)
>
> You mean a vibrator? Rrrrrrrrr.... (haven't seen the movie)
>
> So, what movies have you seen besides porn that you feel push the limits, langmike? "Un Chien Andalou" pushed the limits. So did the first IMAX.
> ---------------------------------


Actually, I became intrigued about the whole "pushing the limits" thing after watching IFC's documentary. I am new to Indie/foreign films. I never realized how uptight americans are in comparison with Europe.

Battie
post #8  on August 27, 2007 - 9:49 AM PDT  
> On August 27, 2007 - 12:27 AM PDT artifex wrote:
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> You mean a vibrator? Rrrrrrrrr.... (haven't seen the movie)
>

Nuh uh. Ri...


As for European vs. American...different foundations for our cultures. Kings with mistresses vs. Puritans. I'm sure it goes much deeper than that, as well.

Truthfully, I don't particularly want sex in your average flick. But I could also do without over-the-top violence. Two movies nearly made me walk out because of it: Exorcist - The Beginning and The Punisher. And I've been a horror fan since I was three years-old, so um.. :)

The Closer made me blush. I saw it in theaters and watched some people walk out, lmao. It's amusing to realize that no one walked out of The Punisher (even though I heard a lot of uncomfortable laughs), but some did walk out of The Closer for reeaaallly vulgar conversations.

On the other hand, a good erotic film is hard to come by and it's always a (usually) sub-par indie flick or a European flick. Well, I suppose it's sometimes Asian, too.

I think the problem with sex in American cinema is more that we seem to see (and teach kids to see) sex in black-and-white. Either you saved yourself for marriage (and/or love), or you didn't and you're a slut/manwhore. It ignores sex as something enjoyable altogether. So I doubt we'll see erotic film (simulated or unsimulated) anytime soon outside of the venues already available (Skinemax, Showtime, HBO, indie and foreign flicks).
weezy
post #9  on August 27, 2007 - 9:57 AM PDT  
> On August 26, 2007 - 2:33 PM PDT woozy wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Okay, a google search revealed this Wikipedia page. Enjoy!
> ---------------------------------

Good one woozy!
troublemaker
post #10  on August 27, 2007 - 4:31 PM PDT  
i was always a fan of the surreal and sexual nature to Bernardo Bertolucci's The Dreamers

Of course it didn't hurt that Eva Green was in the film.
langmike
post #11  on August 27, 2007 - 6:12 PM PDT  
> On August 26, 2007 - 2:33 PM PDT woozy wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Okay, a google search revealed this Wikipedia page. Enjoy!
> ---------------------------------

Thanks, I looked through the list. There are 2 movies that I just recently viewed. Baise-Moi and 9 songs. Baise-mois was difficult to watch. I found it to be an extremely dark 'Thelma and Louise'. As far as the content of the movie, I can't beleive that this movie played in cinemas in France. Unreal.
9 Songs was raw but at least there was no violence. Still, It was definitely beyond the limits of American films.
langmike
post #12  on August 27, 2007 - 6:14 PM PDT  
> On August 27, 2007 - 4:31 PM PDT troublemaker wrote:
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> i was always a fan of the surreal and sexual nature to Bernardo Bertolucci's The Dreamers
>
> Of course it didn't hurt that Eva Green was in the film.
> ---------------------------------


I saw The Dreamers" on the wickepedia list. It sounds like a good erotic movie, but not as raw some of the other movies. I will have to check it out.
Battie
post #13  on August 27, 2007 - 6:22 PM PDT  
> On August 27, 2007 - 6:14 PM PDT langmike wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I saw The Dreamers" on the wickepedia list. It sounds like a good erotic movie, but not as raw some of the other movies. I will have to check it out.
>
> ---------------------------------

I nearly rented that and 9 Songs once. Think Dreamers from BB and 9 Songs from here. I don't remember why I changed my mind. Let me know how The Dreamers is. :)

I find myself drifting further away from "erotic" film simply because it's rarely erotic, just sexual. Sensuality and eroticism are a far cry from sex. I've said it before, but I still think Zalman King's better films out-perform some of the most explicit flicks out there.
langmike
post #14  on August 29, 2007 - 4:37 PM PDT  
I just watched 9 Songs.It was very graphic, but it was fairly erotic as well. The other movies that I have seen were were anything but erotic.
underdog
post #15  on August 29, 2007 - 5:03 PM PDT  
There's always Topless Tapioca Wrestling (TTW).

But seriously, I've heard good things about Laure, a 70s erotic film that was just released on DVD recently. I mean, as 70s soft focus soft porn goes. Try Frivolous Lola, too.
weezy
post #16  on September 4, 2007 - 1:27 PM PDT  
I found a great list a GC member made of Films that break the so-called "X" barrier
Thank you, peakperformer! If you love his list, give him votes :)


langmike
post #17  on September 4, 2007 - 3:57 PM PDT  
Thanks, I am checking it out now. I will add quite afew to my queue.

> On September 4, 2007 - 1:27 PM PDT weezy wrote:
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> I found a great list a GC member made of Films that break the so-called "X" barrier
> Thank you, peakperformer! If you love his list, give him votes :)
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>
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langmike
post #18  on September 9, 2007 - 5:21 PM PDT  
I just watched "Lies". I don't reccomend it. It was just wierd and if you rent it as erotica,you will be dissapointed.

> On September 4, 2007 - 3:57 PM PDT langmike wrote:
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> Thanks, I am checking it out now. I will add quite afew to my queue.
>
> > On September 4, 2007 - 1:27 PM PDT weezy wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > I found a great list a GC member made of Films that break the so-called "X" barrier
> > Thank you, peakperformer! If you love his list, give him votes :)
> >
> >
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peakperformer
post #19  on September 16, 2007 - 11:18 PM PDT  
> On September 4, 2007 - 1:27 PM PDT weezy wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I found a great list a GC member made of Films that break the so-called "X" barrier
> Thank you, peakperformer! If you love his list, give him votes :)
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------

Rock on guys! Glad you found it helpful. If you find any others to add to it, let me know. I've mainly quoted the ones you could find here on Greencine.

later,

Scott
kaream
post #20  on January 6, 2008 - 2:41 AM PST  
> On August 27, 2007 - 6:22 PM PDT Battie wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On August 27, 2007 - 6:14 PM PDT langmike wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > I saw The Dreamers" on the wickepedia list. It sounds like a good erotic movie, but not as raw some of the other movies. I will have to check it out.
> >
> > ---------------------------------
>
> I nearly rented that and 9 Songs once. Think Dreamers from BB and 9 Songs from here. I don't remember why I changed my mind. Let me know how The Dreamers is. :)
>
> I find myself drifting further away from "erotic" film simply because it's rarely erotic, just sexual. Sensuality and eroticism are a far cry from sex. I've said it before, but I still think Zalman King's better films out-perform some of the most explicit flicks out there.
> ---------------------------------


I'm stretching back into ancient history here by replying to an August post in January, but there were a couple of things in The Dreamers that I couldn't help noticing.

(Overall, the movie didn't do a whole lot for me -- I guess I understood what Bertolucci was trying to get at, but I felt the Nouvelle Vague/Cahiers/Henri Langlois/Cinematique/etc film revolution, the burgeoning sexual revolution, and especially Danny the Red's street revolution, all in the summer of 1968, in Bertolucci's film all went galloping off in different directions and never cohered into a satisfying whole.)

Anyway, at just about the same time this thread was active here at GC's board I happened to post a few observations about the sexual content of The Dreamers at IMDb, in response to someone complaining the the movie was 'PORNO!!!', unquote. If anyone's interested, here's the web address for my post (sorry, I don't know how to put a live link here):

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0309987/board/nest/75464779?p=2&d=80587304#80587304

If this doesn't work, let me know and I can copy that IMDb post over to here.
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