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Crest of the Stars...Major Sleep Time!
Topic by: MScullari
Posted: July 25, 2003 - 9:44 PM PDT
Last Reply: September 16, 2003 - 7:57 PM PDT

author topic: Crest of the Stars...Major Sleep Time!
MScullari
post #1  on July 25, 2003 - 9:44 PM PDT  
Sometimes I read reviews for shows by members and get caught up in the hype and cant wait for the dvds to come in the mail. Then after watching them I wonder if the members that give such great reviews watched the same show that i did....this is one of those times...

Lets start with one of the worst dubs i have ever had the misfortune of hearing on any anime series. You can almost hear the pages turning as the so called "actors" read thier lines word for word with as much flavor as a piece of dry rice cake. The vioce talent was so bad and so child like,that if i didnt know any better i would have thought that this series was made by Fisher-Price and not Bandai.

BLAH BLAH BLAH is all you get in the first 3 episodes...I wouldnt mind it if they had something interesting to say but its just silly chatter that might amuse a 10 year old at best. The horrible dub just makes it all that more stupid.

The character art was plan and dull (bug eyed characters and all)...the CGI that was included might have looked nice if it wasnt for the fact that the DVD quaility was more like a "rip" than an actual DVD. ( more like a SVCD rip)


The story was taken from a novel and it seems to be scripted the same way to..(meaning very long and slow scenes of dialoge and way too much character development).

The theme songs (opening and closing) are nothing great..(opening credits are trying to give you a "Star Trek" flavor with images of space but it sucks)


I think youd have a better time watching Dragonball then this!!!...i think the USA production value on Dragonball is better!!!! ( and i hate Dragonball!)

Please tell me there is someone out there that agrees?



greenmonkey
post #2  on July 28, 2003 - 3:24 PM PDT  
This is one of my favorite animes to date (others include Evangelion, Bebop). The story is about the characters, not action. The dub is pretty iffy for the most part (I thought that Jinto and Lafiel were fine, though, unlike some reviews!). I like stories with good characterization and good stories. If you are a fan of only action anime, that, this is not. I saw that you said "The story was taken from a novel and it seems to be scripted the same way to..(meaning very long and slow scenes of dialoge and way too much character development)." I read a lot, so I will try not to flame here. I take it you are not a reader. If dialogue and character development bug you, don't bother to watch the rest of this, because it is not action. It is about the characters and their story. It is about their journey, not about seeing stuff get blown up. Also, don't watch Serial Experiments Lain, Boogiepop Phantom, or, on the American TV side, Babylon 5. I would recommend also avoiding Evangelion (unless the fan service stuff and brief Angel-Eva fights keep you satisfied), because that is another show that is about characters at the expense of action. Just warning you ahead of time.
MScullari
post #3  on July 28, 2003 - 6:43 PM PDT  
Babylon 5 was one of the best SCI-FI series that most people dont know about. To compair Crest with Babylon 5 is
totally wrong. Crest couldnt hang with a "fill in" episode of Babylon 5.

"Silly" is the best word i can use to describe Crest no matter how hard I try...and yes ive watched EVA and Raxephon and Ghost in the shell...even with the confusing plot twists id still say EVA had me hooked ( until 24 and 25) but Crest is ....well Crest is...silly

greenmonkey
post #4  on July 28, 2003 - 7:26 PM PDT  
Well, if this helps: (from the animeondvd.com review):


The first three episodes feel quite slow, as they are devoted to establishing the main characters. A lot of this is done through long discussion scenes between the two (sure makes the animator's job easier.) In these sequences, once certainly may feel as if they are watching a novel, so to speak. The pace starts picking up with episode 4, part one of the Gaulroth's battle.

I like the watching a novel feeling, I am patient. Kind of like Berserk #1 moves pretty slowly, too.

jeffs
post #5  on July 28, 2003 - 9:52 PM PDT  
While I wouldn't necessarily rate this in the top 5 series that I've watched, I did find Crest very enjoyable. I do agree that it starts very slowly, and the story really is all about Jinto and Lafeel. If you are annoyed by the characters already, then I certainly would not suggest watching the 2nd disk. I didn't compare the dub and sub on this, but I thought the voice actress for Lafeel did a pretty good job. Oh, I do agree that the opening music sucks, but I do like the ending theme. I was kinda annoyed that TechTV cut out the ending theme but left the opening.

It's funny how some anime series can just rub you the wrong way even though it seems everyone else loves them. For me, it was Cowboy Beebop. I was so bored/annoyed with that series that I almost didn't finish the first disk.
syntax
post #6  on July 28, 2003 - 10:08 PM PDT  
Unlike a lot of anime otaku I'm not really a stickler for sub over dub. But, sometimes you just have to read instead. There are some dubs that are just so horrendous (Ninja Scroll, Agent Aika, anything from US Manga) that there really is no other choice. If it was bothering you that much, you should have turned subs on. I haven't watched Crest. So, I can't comment on the quality of its dub.
dpowers
post #7  on July 28, 2003 - 10:44 PM PDT  
the dub's not bad.

probably what bored was the rhythm. even with the closeups and stuff, it's pretty much an opera or pre-industrial war romance. there are some good action scenes and such, and there are some flowery noblesse oblige moments. it wouldn't be hard to reimagine it as a european naval drama from, 1700, 1800, complete with a lost-on-the-ocean adventure.

there are aspects of the nobles that feel very japanese, and other aspects that are more fitting to the mixed blood and insanity of european nobility.

anyway, mscullari, it is kind of boy's adventure story so you might want to stick with it.
dpowers
post #8  on July 28, 2003 - 11:39 PM PDT  
uh oops, calling it a boy's adventure story, that's not because of an opinion of you, it's about the design of stories like that: pretty slow at the beginning, long time setting the scene, setting up the politics, so that when things start flying apart, they go all over the place.
LinaInverse
post #9  on July 29, 2003 - 2:38 AM PDT  
MScullari,
I totally agree with you. I only saw 5 or 6 episodes(of course DUB) on Anime Unleashed on Tech TV and while i was watching, i felt asleep quite few times.

I heard good things about 'crest of the stars' from others viewers but this anime series are not for me. Too slow and the story lines weren't that interesting.
larbeck
post #10  on July 29, 2003 - 6:51 AM PDT  
> On July 28, 2003 - 3:24 PM PDT greenmonkey wrote:
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> I would recommend also avoiding Evangelion (unless the fan service stuff and brief Angel-Eva fights keep you satisfied), because that is another show that is about characters at the expense of action. Just warning you ahead of time.
> ---------------------------------

Ewwweee! I differ in your assestment greatly! First of all, maybe because I OD'd on in fan service in "Agent Aika"; but the so-called fan service in Evangelion really never seems like that much. In the previews, Misato's promises of fan service always seems like a tongue-in-cheek joke.

Now, I do recommend skipping episodes 25 and 26 until AFTER the "End of Evangelion" movie. But 25 and 26 are my favorite ending of the alternates - so cool, so zen, and so optimistic.

But man, "Neon Genesis Evangelion" is one of the most unique and cativating anime series ever made. I do have reservations about the live action movie being made within the help of Anno. But they have consulted with me on this.
MScullari
post #11  on July 29, 2003 - 7:21 AM PDT  

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> I like the watching a novel feeling, I am patient. Kind of like Berserk #1 moves pretty slowly, too.
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Berserk #1 was as slow as Crest???? Beserk was one of the best anime series i have ever seen. To say you would get the same feeling with an episode of Crest as you would an episode of Beserk is way of the mark. At no time did i ever wanna close the TV with Bersek like I did with Crest. To me Crest is more of a "kiddy" anime and Berserk was more adult.If you dont think that there was a heavy "kiddy" feel in Crest, then you truely need to watch it again.
SBerry
post #12  on July 29, 2003 - 8:15 AM PDT  
I have to sort of agree with MScullari-- I was deeply ready to like this show, it sounded like everything I wanted, but ...well, it was a sort of half-full bag.

The characters, IMO, were great. The dialogue interesting. The reparte between Jinto and Lafiel was the real reason to watch the whole show, as their relationship develops. It was "grown up" enough for me, even if they were teenagers. They were "mature."

But man, there were way too many looooooong blank pauses in there. They weren't even particularly heavy with meaning. You can't keep on pausing like that if you want it to continually have meaning. If you over use a tool, it looses its value-- like too many fight scenes in a film, if you are trying to create dramatic tension, versus just an action film. This was an example of a show that would have been better as an 8 or 9 episode OVA series. I felt like they were trying to stretch it out to the 13 episodes.

Story telling is an art, and creating tension is part of it. Even great writers, writers of parlor room dramas, etc. with no mecha or fights, have to __keep things moving__. Unfortunately, neither me or my wife thought it did this well enough, and that detracted from the great dialogue and characters.

Still, not a _bad_ show, per se. Much better than much else that I've watched. Just not something I could recommend outright or want to own.
markhl
post #13  on July 29, 2003 - 8:52 AM PDT  
Well, Crest is slow and mature but still is pretty good from my end. If you start to genuinely care about these two young characters, then you won't have a problem. It is best when you want to relax and quietly watch something (or perhaps to balance out a crazy-paced anime like Excel Saga in your viewing schedule)
snafu
post #14  on July 29, 2003 - 1:13 PM PDT  
Even at 3x play I had a hard time watching Crest, it had good reviews but I just couldn't care less about any of the characters. I don't see how it resembles Berserk or EVA even remotly. This was a slow paced story with a weak plot (IMO) I even tried jumping ahead to another DVD but no luck. I don't think I should have to make an effort into caring about the characters, if they don't stand up by themselves I can't help them.
greenmonkey
post #15  on July 29, 2003 - 2:49 PM PDT  
I just mentioned Eva because it is another series that is heavily powered by the characters, and not the action. Although their is action, oftentimes whole episodes go by without a fight - it shows exactly what is important to the series - the people. Kind of like the underlying B5 theme of 'who are you, what do you want' - and what will you do to get there. Eva is about the characters, where they came from, and what they want.
Anno is definitely more concerned about the characters than the action, the Angels, the conspiracies, etc. The original ending (and End of Eva to a point) make it plain that the series is really about the characters and what makes them tick (in particular, Shinji) not the peripherals (Angels, conspiracies, etc, as cool as they may be). Eva is good because of the strong characterizations of Shinji and crew.
In the same way, I feel that CoTS is about Jinto and Lafiel, where they are headed, and why (what makes them do it). It is definitely a little more romantically driven than Eva is, and lacks some of the mysteries, but, at the core, what makes it a good show is the CHARACTERs.
Perhaps this is my book-reading side showing. A well-written character that can get you into his/her head is a lot more interesting to me than a tough butt-kicking bad-ass character (thinking Devil May Cry Dante here, as cool as he is).
Just my P.O.V.

DChiu
post #16  on August 27, 2003 - 2:54 PM PDT  
> On July 29, 2003 - 1:13 PM PDT snafu wrote:
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> Even at 3x play I had a hard time watching Crest, it had good reviews but I just couldn't care less about any of the characters. I don't see how it resembles Berserk or EVA even remotly. This was a slow paced story with a weak plot (IMO) I even tried jumping ahead to another DVD but no luck. I don't think I should have to make an effort into caring about the characters, if they don't stand up by themselves I can't help them.
>
> ---------------------------------
It sounded like you lack the patience to watch characters develope without a lot of action cuts, and that's your loss really. The story (six volume novel so far, probably another three more books to go) is rich in background information and political intrigues, but not as overwhelming as Legend of Galatic Heros (that overloads people with characters too numerous to even remember.)

Crest covers the first three novels. Banner covers the fourth novel and Banner II covers the fifth novel.
hamano
post #17  on September 1, 2003 - 2:32 AM PDT  
Evangelion was promising at the beginning, but I didn't like the end. Shinji was such a wimp and a dork. The whole world sank with him...

On the other hand, Crest of the Stars still continues (as Banner of the Stars) to be relentlessly interesting. The pace is the same, the acting is the same, situations don't change much, so if you dislike Crest at the beginning you'll never like it, and I daresay if you loved it from the beginning like me, there's really no reason why you wouldn't continue to love it.

I could care less about the political situation they've set up, or the tactical movements of these vast warring fleets. What really keeps ME glued to this show is the language. The Japanese on this show is so correct, so reserved, so elaborate, so classic, it's almost hypnotic! Lafiel, especially, as a royal princess, speaks a form of Japanese that is at once super-refined and casually condescending, appropriate for someone in her position. This stuff is so rooted in the hierarchical structure of Japanese culture that it's impossible to translate well. On the dub the Abh and humans all sound pretty much the same, and they just talk like regular Americans with a hint of military rank consciousness thrown in. The subtitles don't do much better, since there's more than enough packed into those 2 to 3 line bits to just cover the information about fleet movements and battle tactics.

Unless you can speak Japanese and understand the structure and nuances of formal keigo ("polite" Japanese) you can't fully appreciate Crest. It's like some people are addicted to the language of Shakespeare. Crest is Keigo Porn! Keigo governs how people at different levels of society address each other throughout their speech. In Crest this is complicated by the addition of military ranks as well as social status. For example, when she's "at ease" Lafiel speaks to everyone as if she's the Empress herself (on her ship she holds the highest social level as someone in direct line to inherit the imperial crown). On active duty, however, she has to follow military protocols where she's just an officer in training. I guess they could have had Lafiel speak with "Thee"s and "Thine"s, but that probably would have messed things up for most American voice actresses.

Incidentally, Ayako Kawasumi who does Lafiel, also voices Mahoro in Mahoromatic and Aoi in Ai Yori Aoshi. In all cases she speaks ultra-correct ultra-polite Japanese, beautifully. The only time I've heard her talk like a regular young girl is as Meg in RahXephon. I can't get enough of her. As Lafiel, her Japanese is very refined and proper, but imperious and commanding. As Mahoro her Japanese is that of a well educated servant. Aoi's Japanese is similar, but clearly that of a young lady raised in a wealthy traditional family to some day serve her equally well heeled husband as the model wife. These nuances are almost completely absent from both the dub acting and the subtitles.

JRuedas
post #18  on September 2, 2003 - 7:06 PM PDT  
This is one of those that you have to sit and watch if you dont have anything else to watch. Theres more reading than action, well of course if you watch the sub version. It is one of my favorite. I suggest watching it in japanese with eng subtitles to enjoy it more. Don't have anything else to add, but i do love this series. Can't wait for Banner of the Stars 2!

dpowers
post #19  on September 3, 2003 - 12:10 PM PDT  
hamano: without knowing the language, i attest that the visuals, tone of speech, and music do present a great deal of the intoxicating hierarchy of abh livin', and i think the subtitles do manage to get some of it across. it's there for the reading.
yi9zhao
post #20  on September 16, 2003 - 7:57 PM PDT  
People are comparing it to Babylon 5 and Legend of Galactic Hero. So if you don't dig that kind of show, it's not going to work for you.

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