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Oscars 2004
Topic by: dwhudson
Posted: January 27, 2004 - 5:57 AM PST
Last Reply: March 4, 2004 - 2:53 PM PST

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author topic: Oscars 2004
ggsuperhero
post #21  on January 27, 2004 - 5:16 PM PST  
i think ben kingsley deserves the nomination.

but johnny depp and sea biscuit? aiya.

larbeck
post #22  on January 27, 2004 - 5:32 PM PST  
Perhaps, underdog, but have you SEEN "Tokyo Godfathers"? I did this weekend and it is good but seriously, not really Oscar material. But then I did like better than "Lost in Translation" but what do I know? Still an ole otaku rock'n'roller.

>do you mean horses as slaves?...explain further?
Yes, actually. I don't wanna get so very offtopic here but I get depress at seeing horse enslaved. Horse had a place before the intercombustion engine and electric but that time is past. And yes, I eat meat but I want the beasties tortured - just killed quickly, please.

>Let's even out the number of roles written for women out there first, and then talk about this idea. ;-)
Well, seriously, the Academy has never really asked my opinion.

And yes, ggsuperhero, I am a bit conflicted about Johnny Depp's nomination. I might have voted for him for "Once Upon a Time In Mexico". "Pirates" was fun but it kinda dragged on a bit in the last reel. And maybe I would rather see Jim Calley get nominated for Best Comedian in "Bruce Almighty". Wait, no, drama and comedy are all in the same category...BAKAS!
Brockton
post #23  on January 27, 2004 - 7:15 PM PST  
> On January 27, 2004 - 5:32 PM PST larbeck wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> And yes, I eat meat but I want the beasties tortured - just killed quickly, please.

The tortured victims are tastier...
oldkingcole
post #24  on January 27, 2004 - 8:03 PM PST  
> On January 27, 2004 - 10:43 AM PST underdog wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On January 27, 2004 - 9:08 AM PST AKrizman wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > What's the biggest snub?
> >
> > I haven't seen American Splendor yet, but it's on a lot of critics' top 5 list. I would've expected more noms for it.
> >
>
>
> Yes, this brings up what I personally feel is the biggest snub in the nominations:
>
> NO Paul Giamatti, from American Splendor.
>
> Give me a fricking break. It was one of the best performances of the year, heartbreaking, funny, acerbic, completely "there" in the present, in the role, truly amazing. The problem, alas, is the competition in the actor category. What I would have done: Move Depp to Supporting Actor, take out one of those fairly weak actors in that category, and put Giamatti in the Actor category.

I'd drop Sean Penn to make room for Giamatti, but then, I thought Mystic River was disappointing. Penn was good (isn't he always -- he's a really good actor), but not as good as he's been in other pictures (see him in Dead Man Walking, for example, to see him in a good performance in a much better film). In Mystic River, it seemed to me like he was doing a Robert DeNiro imitation the whole time. I found that sort of distracting.

Giamatti was brilliant as Harvey Pekar in American Splendor, and American Splendor was also one of the most innovative and interesting movies I saw last year. I'm disappointed that he wasn't nominated, but alas, not surprised.
oldkingcole
post #25  on January 27, 2004 - 8:24 PM PST  
The category I used to follow most closely (I've become a lot less obsessive about it over the past decade or so) is the MUSIC (Score) category. This year, I've only seen two of the nominees: LOTR3 and Finding Nemo. Either could win, but I think Danny Elfman, for Big Fish, might be a contender as well. Has Elfman ever won an Academy Award?

He started his film-music career as an outsider -- a rock musician with no formal/classical composition training; but now, having scored some of the most mainstream and biggest pictures Hollywood has produced (can you say Spider-Man), surely he has earned the Academy's respect.

He has earned mine, at least. I haven't seen Big Fish yet, but wouldn't mind seeing Elfman bag an Oscar. If he hasn't won one yet (and I don't think he has), he's overdue.
larbeck
post #26  on January 27, 2004 - 10:12 PM PST  
> On January 27, 2004 - 8:24 PM PST oldkingcole wrote:
> ---------------------------------
I think Danny Elfman, for Big Fish, might be a contender as well. Has Elfman ever won an Academy Award?
>
I agree! The man does score! Another great yet overlooked cinema scoring rock'n'roller is Trevor Rabin - but seriously no one compares to Elfman for his zanny music.
larbeck
post #27  on January 27, 2004 - 10:18 PM PST  
I forget to mention that one contributor to the raise of rock musicans moonlighting or even finding new careers scoring cinema is the use of the computer as a composing tool. Stewart Copeland ever scored an entire opera without actually learn the standard European music notation! But he learned to program music on the computer and it produces rough "drafts" of the music in MIDI (so he could heard it and make corrections) and then printed out the sheet music for the performers.
kamapuaa
post #28  on January 27, 2004 - 11:02 PM PST  
> Yes, actually. I don't wanna get so very offtopic here but I get depress at seeing horse enslaved. Horse had a place before the intercombustion engine and electric but that time is past. And yes, I eat meat but I want the beasties tortured - just killed quickly, please.

I saw the movie, and please rest assured, Seabiscuit was never tortured! There was a "Manchurian Candidate"-esque brainwashing sequence, but it finished as quickly as it began.

Calling a domesticated animal living a domesticated life "slavery" or "torture" is unfortunate - that's its true nature. After all they've been specifically bred for it, both mentally and physically, over thousands of years. Dogs live happy lives with humans - the way a wolf wouldn't.

> And maybe I would rather see Jim Calley get nominated for Best Comedian in "Bruce Almighty". Wait, no, drama and comedy are all in the same category...BAKAS!

Don't mind that, as much as that self-consciously-serious American dramas tend to dominate nominations. Comedy actors shouldn't feel the need to cross over and do smarmy movies about helping the mentally disturbed (or whatever), to earn themselves an Oscar nomination - the whole high art v. pop art thing is so 1950's.
sinisterguffaw
post #29  on January 28, 2004 - 12:25 PM PST  
I would replace Seabiscuit and Mystic River with American Splendor and Last Samurai! Also, I liked Pirates a lot, but nothing about the film itself deserves Best Picture accolades.

Don't get me wrong though. I don't think Last Samurai would deserve to WIN best picture, had it been nominated. Tom Cruise just doesn't do it for me. But I think it's far more deserving of the title "Best Picture Nominated Film" than Seabiscuit. I thought Ken Wantanabe's performance was what made me love the movie, and although I realize his chances for winning are slim, it sure would be nice!

*Note: before I posted this I realized I had written Pirates of the Carribean as being a best picture nom. I then replaced it with Mystic River but perhaps I should reserve my judgement until I see it. I simply don't have a lot of desire to see it because it looks a little too over the top.*
ALittlefield
post #30  on January 29, 2004 - 6:32 AM PST  
> On January 27, 2004 - 10:43 AM PST underdog wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On January 27, 2004 - 9:08 AM PST AKrizman wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > What's the biggest snub?
> >
> > I haven't seen American Splendor yet, but it's on a lot of critics' top 5 list. I would've expected more noms for it.
> >
>
>
> Yes, this brings up what I personally feel is the biggest snub in the nominations:
>
> NO Paul Giamatti from American Splendor.
>
> Give me a fricking break. It was one of the best performances of the year, heartbreaking, funny, acerbic, completely "there" in the present, in the role, truly amazing. Poor guy. I hope, at least, that AS wins the adapted screenplay nod. But it won't.


I totally agree, Underdog, I personally found American Splendor far superior to the slow Lost in Translation. The direction of Splendor was far more clever, with smart combinations of live action and animation. And it had no extended karoke scenes.....not to metion "Lip my stocking." Please!
larbeck
post #31  on January 29, 2004 - 8:49 AM PST  
> On January 28, 2004 - 12:25 PM PST sinisterguffaw wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Tom Cruise just doesn't do it for me.
>
Me neither - but I blame that nasty restraining order and these damn anti-stalking laws. If he would only get to know me, I might could save him from the Scientologists.
larbeck
post #32  on January 30, 2004 - 8:50 AM PST  
> On January 27, 2004 - 7:15 PM PST Brockton wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On January 27, 2004 - 5:32 PM PST larbeck wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > And yes, I eat meat but I want the beasties tortured - just killed quickly, please.
>
> The tortured victims are tastier...
> ---------------------------------

Eek - i meant NOT torture. But Brockton - do you like Korean food? I heard the reason for boiling the dog alive is so the fear and pain hormones will both tenderize it and increase the aphordeesic effect.

That makes me appreciate a nice spinich salad when I think it.
IronS
post #33  on January 30, 2004 - 10:53 AM PST  
> On January 30, 2004 - 8:50 AM PST larbeck wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I heard the reason for boiling the dog alive is so the fear and pain hormones will both tenderize it and increase the aphordeesic effect.
> ---------------------------------

The only physiological reason for eating dog meat that I've heard was to keep warm in winter. I prefer silk long underwear and Thinsulate myself.
hamano
post #34  on January 31, 2004 - 8:06 AM PST  
> On January 30, 2004 - 10:53 AM PST IronS wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I prefer silk long underwear and Thinsulate myself.
> ---------------------------------

And a cashmere sweater!
ALittlefield
post #35  on January 31, 2004 - 1:57 PM PST  
I find it odd that CITY OF GOD is up for several Oscars, seeing as how it was released in 2002. It turns out that the country that it was produced in (Rio de Janero) refused to make it an official entry in the best foreign film category that year, so it's open for nomination in other categories this year. Man, these Oscar rules are pretty technical. (BTW, the movie is terrific!)
IronS
post #36  on January 31, 2004 - 6:36 PM PST  
> On January 31, 2004 - 8:06 AM PST hamano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> And a cashmere sweater!
> ---------------------------------

Of course! :)
Vamp12
post #37  on January 31, 2004 - 11:22 PM PST  
> On January 27, 2004 - 3:58 PM PST underdog wrote:

> Youngest Best Actor nominee ever?
>
> Jackie Cooper, way back in 1931. For something called, SKIPPY. Whoo boy.

Close, but no cigar. Cooper was 9 at nomination time. Justin Henry was 8 when he was nominated for Kramer vs. Kramer making him the youngest ever nominated.

Kathy
vamp@tbcnet.com
underdog
post #38  on January 31, 2004 - 11:35 PM PST  
Hmm! You're right! My sources gave me bad information, and have since been fired. ;-)

Man, Justin Henry, whatever happened to him? He was one of those child actors who gave a heartbreakingly real performance, and then when they got into adolescence (see: Sixteen Candles), they weren't quite as charming. Hopefully he's off having a nice normal life somewhere.

Eoliano
post #39  on February 1, 2004 - 9:09 AM PST  
> And everyone seems to have thought that the Miramax machine would have ensured it - that and Best Picture to boot.

10 Questions for Harvey Weinstein
DLeonard
post #40  on February 1, 2004 - 11:17 AM PST  
> On January 31, 2004 - 11:22 PM PST Vamp12 wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On January 27, 2004 - 3:58 PM PST underdog wrote:
>
> > Youngest Best Actor nominee ever?
> >
> > Jackie Cooper, way back in 1931. For something called, SKIPPY. Whoo boy.
>
> Close, but no cigar. Cooper was 9 at nomination time. Justin Henry was 8 when he was nominated for Kramer vs. Kramer making him the youngest ever nominated.
>
> Kathy
> vamp@tbcnet.com

Thanks Kathy.

I remember that kid being nominated, but not his age.
It seems to me that usually when a kid gets nominated they wind up in the supporting category. Wasn't Haley Joel Osment in the Supporting Actor category? Same with Tatum O'Neal (well, Supporting Actress). But they were clearly in lead roles in those movies. Nice to see Keisha Castle-Hughes were she belongs.
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