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Return of the King
Topic by: IWhitney
Posted: December 11, 2003 - 1:37 PM PST
Last Reply: January 20, 2004 - 1:44 PM PST

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author topic: Return of the King
post #61  on December 24, 2003 - 8:52 AM PST  
kamapuaa, it might help if you watched all three movies again, since a lot of the things you mentioned were set up in the earlier films (like Sam's sweetheart in the first). I realize each part of the trilogy should stand on its own, but this is kind of like one big long movie.
post #62  on December 24, 2003 - 10:11 AM PST  
> On December 24, 2003 - 12:38 AM PST kamapuaa wrote:
> ---------------------------------

Here, I'll help with the blocking:

> The two major problems would be: The characters were just uninteresting, the only character it was remotely possible to care about was Sam. Without strong characters, the epic events of the movie didn't feel epic, they just felt like events.

This is actually just a reflection of the book. Frodo's character is just as uninteresting in the book. This is one of the difficulties in making this book as a movie, one of the main characters, Frodo, is really not very interesting. When you are reading, you can deal with this and just like some of the other characters, like Eowyn, but as a movie, PJ decided to focus on Frodo and Aragorn.

> Secondly, the complete randomness. Suddenly, there's ghost
> armies in the nearby mountains??? It didn't seem to fit
> the story, and you think the characters would have thought
> of that before planning a major offensive. Suddenly
> there's giant eagles? Suddenly the Nazgul can fly around?
> It felt like a child wrote the script.

These parts are as in book, except the ghost army does't show up at Minas Tirith. Aragorn leads them to the mouth of the river and they attack the corsairs(sp?), by walking across the water (I suspect this may be in the extended version). This frees up the Gondor(ian?) soldiers that had to stay along to coast to protect agains the corsairs. Aragorn then loads them onboard (the Gondor soldiers) and sails them up to Minas Tirith, where they arrive in the nick of time of course. This was one of my main problems with the movie, the ghost army sort of cleaning up so easily at Minas Tirith (sort of like scrubbing bubbles).

Both the flying Naguls (they start flying in The Two Towers) and eagles are both in the book too, the only difference that in the book there was a whole army of eagles.

> OK a third problem: everybody was whining. The last half
> hour was people whining. For instance, Sam takes a minute
> to whine about some girl who's suddenly introduced to the
> movie - she hadn't even been mentioned before, so why take
> a minute for him to cry about it?

The last half hour? Try the entire triligy. I really think it was a bad decision to make Aragorn a "Reluctant King". In the books it's sort of half destiry, half "You must be King to marry my daughter" thing. One of the many with him so reluctant is that he comes off as indecisive and whiny.

Well, if PJ does do the Hobbit, maybe it will be better.

post #63  on December 24, 2003 - 10:13 AM PST  
> On December 21, 2003 - 5:59 AM PST larbeck wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Strictly for your information (no blame):
> [left bracket]A STYLE="color: black; background-color: rgb(51, 0, 0)"[right bracket]...The hidden text goes here...[left bracket]/A[right bracket]
> I forget who showed us all this neat ticket. It is a fun thang.
> ---------------------------------

I always have trouble remembering this, so I have a notepad text file on my desktop that I can quickly open and 'copy and paste' from. Makes things much easier.

post #64  on December 24, 2003 - 11:28 AM PST  
Yes, The Rankin/Bass Hobbit. "The Greatest Adventure is What Lies Ahead." Orson Bean was perfect as Bilbo and, for me, the voice of John Huston will always be associated with Gandalf.

The music, actually, is terrific. I presume that you're taking issue with the songs (which definitely have not aged well). I still have the records. Admittedly, the songs are considerably weaker in their version of Return of the King.

Granted, I was in the single-digits, age-wise, when these were made. I suppose that somewhat disqualifies my remarks. My fondness is not rationale.
post #65  on December 24, 2003 - 11:35 AM PST  
Scrubbing bubbles! HAHAHA! So true. Okay, that just ruined those scenes in the same way that I ruined the Sloth orc scenes for dh22.
post #66  on December 24, 2003 - 12:03 PM PST  
> THE HOBBIT??? With Orson Bean as the voice of Bilbo? With music so bad, even Barry Manilow wouldn't touch it?
> Egads, that Rank and Bass production is one of the worst examples of lameo mega-dorkitude know to all of Lifekind.

The vibrato was irritating as all hell, obviously. But even though I haven't seen the movie in years and years, if forced to under credible threat of torture, I could still sing along to at least a half-dozen of its melodies.

Truth be told, expecting anything but "lameo mega-dorkitude" in a J.R.R. Tolkien adaptation is just fooling yourself.
post #67  on December 24, 2003 - 7:55 PM PST  
In a few years, when movie-making has advanced to the point that the technology used to create Gollum is like finger-painting (remember when Tron was hailed as the epitome of computer graphics?), the music will remain in the collective pop culture consciousness. The orc theme will be as recognizable as Darth Vader's, and the fellowship's, like Leia's. I thought Star Wars was simplistic when I saw it (and I was in grade school), but John Williams' score was outstanding. Non-pop music tends to age better (can anyone watch The Rescuers without cringing at the '70's music?). I think the themes of the LOTR trilogy has the staying power to stick in our minds for a long while.

Off topic: by the way, aside from the horrors of Dickens' novels, I also was subjected to Russian downers in high school - Anna Karenina and Crime and Punishment. Eep. More novels I would have trade for the trilogy.
post #68  on December 25, 2003 - 7:22 PM PST  
> Yes, The Rankin/Bass Hobbit. "The Greatest Adventure is What Lies Ahead." Orson Bean was perfect as Bilbo and, for me, the voice of John Huston will always be associated with Gandalf.
> ...
> Granted, I was in the single-digits, age-wise, when these were made. I suppose that somewhat disqualifies my remarks. My fondness is not rationale.
I guess it is the spirit of the season but I am sooo aware of how opinionated and even somewhat self-rightous I have been lately. I regret that. Rationality is over-rating but politeness is always appreciate. I will endevour to function a bit MORE aquadately in the fun. After the season of resolutions is coming now.

But I will add that I do love John Huston as an actor - but not as Gandalf. It's just me, I guess.

I was grown and married when I first Balkshi's ill-fated version of the "Lord of the Rings". At the time, I loved it to death and only dreamed of owning a print (the only format available at the time). Seeing it now - man THAT music is REALLY grating to me. But John Hurt as Aragon works - in a completely different way that Viggo does. But nowhere near as well.
post #69  on January 6, 2004 - 8:11 AM PST  
i liked how in the middle of the climactic battle suddenly we were on the ice planet of hoth fighting to defend the underground base from the imperial oliphaunts

also i liked how the nationalities played out, former colony new zealand reenacts a british-penned scene, in order to have a bunch of UK actors crown a reluctant american the king of everything.
post #70  on January 6, 2004 - 12:13 PM PST  
...and don't pass up the chance to see Eomer as a dairy farmer in a movie directed by Isildur.
post #71  on January 6, 2004 - 1:31 PM PST  
there's nothing to do
that's been in my queue
since i read your review

i'll see it but, tru-
ly, i've some to get through
can i get back to you
in 2022?
post #72  on January 19, 2004 - 1:38 PM PST  
Kinda large Quicktime download: Lord of the Rings staring Humphrey Bogart, Sidney Greenstreet and Peter Lorre, directed by Howard Hawks.
post #73  on January 19, 2004 - 6:22 PM PST  
That is a hoot. Thanks for the chuckles, Cinenaut!
post #74  on January 20, 2004 - 1:44 PM PST  
> On December 24, 2003 - 11:28 AM PST Gradalis wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Granted, I was in the single-digits, age-wise, when these were made. I suppose that somewhat disqualifies my remarks. My fondness is not rationale.
> ---------------------------------
Well, yes - once I thought that "Radar Men from the Moon" was better than any Shakespeare or Hitchcock. I know better now.

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