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What's the deal with the list ratings?
Topic by: bloodytaco
Posted: November 28, 2004 - 8:43 AM PST
Last Reply: February 24, 2005 - 11:35 AM PST

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author topic: What's the deal with the list ratings?
bloodytaco
post #1  on November 28, 2004 - 8:43 AM PST  
Ok, I don't expect fame, glory, praise or money for any lists I make. However, I am kind of curious as to why some people just seem to go around rating lists a "1" because they have nothing better to do with their time. I've put a lot of effort and many hours into the lists I've created, and I've tried to choose topics that are of use to the GC community. My first list, for all the Asian horror films available here (because there's no easy way to search for them), received 4 "10s" and then a "1" that suddenly throws my rating way down. Why? It may not have, in my mind, deserved any of the "10s" but it certainly doesn't warrent a "1." I spent 3 days going through all the Japanese flicks alone, and had to do additional research on a lot of them because they are either listed incorrectly here, or don't quite qualify as horror ("Battle Roayle" vs "Battle Royale 2," for example).

My second list is a cross reference of every Zombie flick GC carries that has been reviewed by HorrorWatch. It's in alphabetical order, has links to all the reviews, plus one or two sentences from each review to give people an idea of what they thought of the film. The thing took hours to build, and will be updated on a daily basis if needed. Yet, someone gave this list a "4" yesterday.

I guess what I'm asking, even though it sounds like I'm just complaining, is how can I make these better? What do people actually want in a list? Is there something else I should be doing? Or am I just getting upset over people who just like making other people miserable?
Bowwow
post #2  on November 28, 2004 - 9:06 AM PST  


I have a feeling that what you will find is that very few lists will appeal to *everyone* and there will always be someone who doesn't like your list.
lizzoqops
post #3  on November 28, 2004 - 8:51 PM PST  
I've noticed while perusing lists that the list-nazi (you know who you are) will give a low rating to any list that doesn't have a line written about every single movie. Don't take it personally...it's a good list, as a resource, and I'd give it a 10 just for the little blurb about "Biozombie". Best ending ever.
bloodytaco
post #4  on November 29, 2004 - 5:21 AM PST  
> On November 28, 2004 - 8:51 PM PST lizzoqops wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I've noticed while perusing lists that the list-nazi (you know who you are) will give a low rating to any list that doesn't have a line written about every single movie. Don't take it personally...it's a good list, as a resource, and I'd give it a 10 just for the little blurb about "Biozombie". Best ending ever.
> ---------------------------------


Thanks to both of you...I feel a bit better now. :)
artemis9976
post #5  on November 29, 2004 - 9:55 AM PST  
personally i have found your asian horror list to be quite remarkable, but i had never previously rated any lists (i'm new, i had totally forgotten that i could do as such)

i just made sure to correct my oversight ;)
underdog
post #6  on November 29, 2004 - 10:43 AM PST  
It does seem a few cranky apples can spoil the whole bunch. As has been said here, don't take it too personally. I try to be kind on those occasions when I do rate member lists. The only time I rate them low, or excuse people who do, is when they are the kind of "Here's Six Films with Melanie Griffith" lists, lacking even any comments. Those rare few that are just pointless or should have remained private because they are of use only to the member themselves ("5 films I rented last week just to remind myself") -- and even then I try not to be hard on them, for they may have just spaced out about the Private vs. Public list option.

So... keep it up and don't worry too much. Over the long haul lists will get a karmically fair rating, I believe.

C of GC
msilenus
post #7  on November 29, 2004 - 2:53 PM PST  
Heh, Bio-Zombie is a nifty movie. Even with the Engrish subtitles which hardly make any sense I still had a hellaciously good time watching it. :) -MS



> On November 28, 2004 - 8:51 PM PST lizzoqops wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I've noticed while perusing lists that the list-nazi (you know who you are) will give a low rating to any list that doesn't have a line written about every single movie. Don't take it personally...it's a good list, as a resource, and I'd give it a 10 just for the little blurb about "Biozombie". Best ending ever.
> ---------------------------------

msilenus
post #8  on November 29, 2004 - 3:03 PM PST  
I was just looking at your zombie list. Looks like it took alot of time to do especially with everything being alphabetical. What happened to Let Sleeping Corpses Lie though?
hamano
post #9  on November 29, 2004 - 4:38 PM PST  
> On November 29, 2004 - 10:43 AM PST underdog wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Over the long haul lists will get a karmically fair rating, I believe.

Well, I've been very critical of the rating system for the lists before, LOOONG before, and I don't see any karmic adjustment. I've come to the conclusion that GreenCine's list rating system is custom designed to discourage community-minded members from creating and publishing more than 10 or so lists, by making it ridiculously easy for list nazis and blue meanies to hop around stamping low ratings.

The problem is that very few people take the time to actually consider a list to give it a fair and accurate rating. So the list ratings are left to the mercy of people who either award 10s or 1s depending on how many films on the list they "agree" with, or people who make it a mission in life to bring high achievers down a peg or two, or three.

The last time I posted something like this, the ratings on all my lists went down a point or two! So I know you're out there, list nazis! Well, it doesn't really matter because I don't make lists any more. No good deed goes unpunished here at GreenCine....
bloodytaco
post #10  on November 29, 2004 - 5:11 PM PST  
> On November 29, 2004 - 3:03 PM PST msilenus wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I was just looking at your zombie list. Looks like it took alot of time to do especially with everything being alphabetical. What happened to Let Sleeping Corpses Lie though?
> ---------------------------------


It hasn't been reviewed yet at HorrorWatch. The list isn't a complete catalog of zombie flicks (like my Asian Horror list), because you can already easily search for zombie movies here at GC. Instead, it's designed to give people another source of information for some of the films here. I'll update it as soon as new (applicable) reviews are posted at HW.
lizzoqops
post #11  on November 30, 2004 - 5:14 AM PST  
> On November 29, 2004 - 4:38 PM PST hamano wrote:
> ---------------------------------

> The last time I posted something like this, the ratings on all my lists went down a point or two! So I know you're out there, list nazis! Well, it doesn't really matter because I don't make lists any more. No good deed goes unpunished here at GreenCine....
> ---------------------------------

Ha! That's funny. I just looked at my lists, and they've all gone down a point too. Now I feel discouraged. We're just trying to help! I'm gonna make another list.

DHofmann
post #12  on November 30, 2004 - 12:27 PM PST  
> On November 28, 2004 - 8:43 AM PST bloodytaco wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> My first list, for all the Asian horror films available here (because there's no easy way to search for them), received 4 "10s" and then a "1" that suddenly throws my rating way down. > ---------------------------------

If GC were using the median (50th percentile) instead of the average (mean), four 10's and a 1 would still result in an overall score of 10.

GreenCine, if you're listening, could you change the scoring system to use the median?
TGrimshaw
post #13  on November 30, 2004 - 1:13 PM PST  
hey, I just started Greencine and I'm in movie nerd heaven, i love all the lists. lame or not lame. the rating system is gay and i totally agree with your comment that some bozo's just spend all day locked up in thier shitty ass cubicle and poo poo anyone's list that doesn't have tom hanks buttfucking them into a middle class coma of contented ... oops, i went on a rant. sorry.

I've been reading the lists and i really dig them and your all cool in my book.

love,
Grimmy.

underdog
post #14  on November 30, 2004 - 2:10 PM PST  
> On November 30, 2004 - 1:13 PM PST TGrimshaw wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> hey, I just started Greencine and I'm in movie nerd heaven, i love all the lists. lame or not lame. the rating system is gay [meaning 'happy'? - ed.] and i totally agree with your comment that some bozo's just spend all day locked up in thier shitty ass cubicle and poo poo anyone's list that doesn't have tom hanks [censored] them into a middle class coma of contented ... oops, i went on a rant. sorry.
>
> I've been reading the lists and i really dig them and your all cool in my book.
>
> love,
> Grimmy.

Hi Grimmy and welcome! Um, mind self-censoring your own posts next time around? ;-) Thanks! And thanks, too, for you enthusiasm, we're glad you're happy and dig the lists. Keep on keepin' on!

Oh, and I'll pass on the suggestion about making ratings median instead of average, but can't guarantee anything.

C of GC


fdguarino
post #15  on November 30, 2004 - 3:25 PM PST  
I wouldn't mind a low rating on a list (like my new list Ranma 1/2 - A better viewing order (already a measely 4.5) if I at least knew why people are rating it low. Maybe a quick poll after someone rates a list to give the author some feedback.

-FDGuarino
markhl
post #16  on November 30, 2004 - 4:04 PM PST  
> On November 30, 2004 - 2:10 PM PST underdog wrote:
> Oh, and I'll pass on the suggestion about making ratings median instead of average, but can't guarantee anything.


Of course someone suggested showing the full distribution (a la IMDB) a while back.. not that that someone is bitter or anything >B)
JBarco
post #17  on November 30, 2004 - 4:05 PM PST  
I don't understand the value of rating the lists in the first place... With the movie ratings, we presume people rate movies that they see, and we have an average value for the movie itself. Why rate the list? Isn't that just redundant? Can someone explain?

I suppose since I don't see the value of rating the list, I also don't see understand why feathers are ruffled for having a low rated list or being screwed over by 'list nazis' (wow, what a debasing of that word) who want to rate a list a '1'.


> On November 30, 2004 - 3:25 PM PST fdguarino wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I wouldn't mind a low rating on a list (like my new list Ranma 1/2 - A better viewing order (already a measely 4.5) if I at least knew why people are rating it low. Maybe a quick poll after someone rates a list to give the author some feedback.
>
> -FDGuarino
> ---------------------------------

underdog
post #18  on November 30, 2004 - 4:22 PM PST  
> On November 30, 2004 - 4:04 PM PST markhl wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On November 30, 2004 - 2:10 PM PST underdog wrote:
> > Oh, and I'll pass on the suggestion about making ratings median instead of average, but can't guarantee anything.
>
>
> Of course someone suggested showing the full distribution (a la IMDB) a while back.. not that that someone is bitter or anything >B)
> ---------------------------------


Well, someone else passed on the idea, greeted by the equivalent of crickets chirping. ;-) No, it still may happen in a future redesign/rebuild, but it just hasn't been a top priority over some really pressing items. I'll ask again though.

Meanwhile, I can see arguments both for and against rating member lists, but the idea behind keeping it is to encourage people to make a little effort when making a list public, since they also take time and effort for others to look at (and bandwidth on the ol server, as it were). But we didn't envision people would be so hard on them, since movie ratings on average range from 6-8 out of 10. Ah well.
lizzoqops
post #19  on November 30, 2004 - 4:43 PM PST  
> On November 30, 2004 - 4:05 PM PST JBarco wrote:
> ---------------------------------
>
> I suppose since I don't see the value of rating the list, I also don't see understand why feathers are ruffled for having a low rated list or being screwed over by 'list nazis' (wow, what a debasing of that word) who want to rate a list a '1'.
>

Well, when you spend a couple of hours (or in Taco's case, a couple 3 days) making a list that includes the movies you love, and you want to help people by clueing them in to the movies you love, and then somebody gives it a "1", it just kinda sucks. There's no reason to give it a 1. A lot of work went into making it, and it's a good compilation.

Ha! A list nazi gave my Yakuza list a 1.
That's it. I'm making another list tomorrow.

Damn, I miss Jelly B.

NLee
post #20  on November 30, 2004 - 4:58 PM PST  
> On November 30, 2004 - 3:25 PM PST fdguarino wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I wouldn't mind a low rating on a list (like my new list Ranma 1/2 - A better viewing order (already a measely 4.5) if I at least knew why people are rating it low. Maybe a quick poll after someone rates a list to give the author some feedback.
>
> -FDGuarino
> ---------------------------------

I just checked. Somebody else just gave your list a '1' to pull it down further to a 3.3. Poor FDGuarino. It really is because you have to open your mouth here. The list is not bad at all.
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