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Aaaarrrrggghhh!!! Availability
Topic by: slogan
Posted: December 2, 2005 - 3:02 PM PST
Last Reply: May 9, 2006 - 3:23 AM PDT

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author topic: Aaaarrrrggghhh!!! Availability
woozy
post #61  on December 8, 2005 - 11:04 AM PST  
> On December 8, 2005 - 10:38 AM PST Eoliano wrote:
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> Oh heck, just refer the Rude to this? thread. That's why it's there.
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But this is inherently flawed because off-topic folks are by nature off-topic and won't seek out this thread on their own. I suggest we avoid that problem by setting up a thread called "On topic" for all the folks who wish to stay on topic to go to, and leave the rest of this board to the ebb and flowers. Heh, heh, flowers. I wonder if there is a word for flow-ers and if there is how is it spelled. I better call 911.
ahogue
post #62  on December 8, 2005 - 11:26 AM PST  
I think all this stuff about on/off topic posting is getting out of hand.

There's no need for quasi-legal feuding. That's just muddying the issue. In fact it's just a matter of common courtesy.

1) Some threads are quasi-moderated, like Liz's and Eo's. They are not at all hard to spot. Respect the wishes of de facto moderators. It's polite.

2) Some threads have specific topics of general interest to GC users. While activity on these threads may come and go, it is not really polite (and of course unnecessary) to append eight pages of personal conversation and innuendo to them. There is plenty of room for that in the more chatty threads. It's polite.

3) "Hijacking" a topic suggests not the occassional side note or tangent, but taking a thread and flooding it with a lot of posts that are not only off topic, but most importantly of little or no interest to most of the people reading it.

4) If you are unsure whether you are taking a tangent too far, ask yourself a simple question: are you pissing people off? If yes, go start a new thread. If no, continue. Don't start pointless arguments about it. Try to get along with the other board users.

5) If you have gained a reputation as a thread "hijacker", go a little more out of your way to stay reasonably within topic. Don't bait people or start up arguments about it. Eventually the people you've annoyed will calm down and you won't feel like you have to defend yourself all the time. An apology might help.

I'm not trying to keep the argument going, just thought this perspective might be helpful.
pooja
post #63  on December 8, 2005 - 11:45 AM PST  
I think members with a maternal bent naturally come to threads that have an "angry" icon and try to divert the topic... in many cases the problem that made the person mad in the first place can't be solved right away (if that were possible they would just write to "support" instead of bothering to compose an angry thread), and also the person might have other issues.

Of course maybe "venting" is the intent of the original author, but if that's the case there really isn't much reason to keep the thread going "on topic" is there?

And what if the original author or the de facto moderator himself gets bored with the topic he started and goes off on a tangent? I think that happened in the Alex Jones thread where dvdemon went off topic himself for amusement for a short while, then just left altogether, only to come back 8 months later to get mad that no one was taking the thread seriously.

I think common courtesy would naturally kick in if the discussions here were A) more serious and focused and B) if staffers made their presence known by participating in the forums... not to scold people, mind you. I think their mere presence and interest would help to keep things on track. That's why cruise ships have cruise directors whose staff are there not to run the vessel, but to just run activities for the guests. If all a cruise ship had were crew and passengers, well, it's Lord of the Flies time on the promenade duck, eh? (Cinenaut, that's your cue to say, "Aflac! Aflac!")

I think the main problem is that most of the thread hijackers around here just aren't very funny. If all of the thread hijackers were great storytellers or jokers, noone would complain... not even lizzo, I'd wager.
woozy
post #64  on December 8, 2005 - 11:53 AM PST  
> I think the main problem is that most of the thread hijackers around here just aren't very funny. If all of the thread hijackers were great storytellers or jokers, noone would complain... not even lizzo, I'd wager.
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You are a great storyteller. And you are funny as hell!

artifex
post #65  on December 8, 2005 - 12:37 PM PST  
Returning to topic:

Woozy, GC obviously doesn't want to answer my questions regarding red titles. You and I both know I'm not asking for trade secrets, like if they have more than one known copy of any titles in circulation; I just want to know whether they have at least one known copy of each red title in circulation, and if not, will they be honest about it and fix the availability reporting. And you understand why I think it would be dishonest to say that there's a "low likelihood of shipment" of a title if in fact they know that the likelihood is zero because no working copies currently exist at all.

Craig asked Eoliano what he could do to make him happy. You know that all I want is an honest response and a promise to fix it, if I've been right. I think I've earned that after two years, even if I'm not a community leader here. So I've been asking repeatedly, virtually begging for an answer in front of everyone, and they're stonewalling me, just like any big, faceless, disinterested corporation. So, I appreciate you also asking, but I've finally heard loud and clear what their response is.
pooja
post #66  on December 8, 2005 - 12:45 PM PST  
Maybe you have to ask Mr. GreenCineStaff if underdog doesn't get back to you... I have some permanently (it seems) red titles on my queue too. At my local library I recently found out that a book that's on the computer card catalog is not necessarily there on the shelves. If someone stole the book and no one noticed, then the card catalog will perpetually show the book as "not checked out"... the library system doesn't show the likelihood of future availability, though, like GC tries to do with the colored bars. Maybe GC should just show "available" "not available" and "lost/stolen" on the queue page.
underdog
post #67  on December 8, 2005 - 5:14 PM PST  
I'm obviously not answering this well enough, so I'll see if I can prod one of my colleagues who are more directly involved with these matters to respond (or put words in my mouth - which sounds painful, but can work well enough if you're expecting it). Sorry Artifex, and thanks for your patience.
artifex
post #68  on December 24, 2005 - 3:50 PM PST  
> On December 8, 2005 - 5:14 PM PST underdog wrote:
> I'm obviously not answering this well enough, so I'll see if I can prod one of my colleagues who are more directly involved with these matters to respond (or put words in my mouth - which sounds painful, but can work well enough if you're expecting it). Sorry Artifex, and thanks for your patience.

And the answer after more than two weeks is: silence.

I have a 10 out membership, of which only 9 slots were filled yesterday, and only 7 today. I wonder why, with 7 greens, 9 blues, 31 yellows, 43 orange, and 28 reds, my queue of 118 has 0 titles that actually are available to fill the 3 remaining slots?

Oh yes, it's because the colors are useless. I keep forgetting.

I should switch to 1 out, so I'm not paying for any more empty slots, and that 1 only because there's still a handful of movies I really want to see that I can't rent elsewhere.

So, let me make this easier for you. Here's a few questions any GC staff member ought to be able to answer in simple yes or no terms, for me:

Do you actually have at least one working copy of God of Cooking in circulation? How about What the Deaf Man Heard? Rebecca? Mon Oncle d'Amerique? Cloud-Capped Star?

Just really look before you answer, please. And sorry I'm not all full of holiday cheer, but my bill day is Christmas Day. I'm really annoyed I have to deal with making this decision today, but my patience has been abused and availability has gotten worse, not better, when even the blues and greens aren't really on hand.
lizzoqops
post #69  on December 25, 2005 - 1:30 AM PST  
I feel your pain, Arti...90% of my request list is available at Netflix. I had a really hard time managing my queue this week, there's just not a lot of stuff on it anymore that's a)available and b)a title that I really really want to see. It's getting harder to stay.
liversounds
post #70  on December 28, 2005 - 9:49 AM PST  
> On December 25, 2005 - 1:30 AM PST lizzoqops wrote:
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> I feel your pain, Arti...90% of my request list is available at Netflix. I had a really hard time managing my queue this week, there's just not a lot of stuff on it anymore that's a)available and b)a title that I really really want to see. It's getting harder to stay.
> ---------------------------------

i have about 350 movies in my queue, most of which i have never heard of and 70% of which are green... greencine exists in my mind for foreign films, and beyond that for films that SEEM interesting based on the title/description but are rare or bizarre (in other words not just films that are known or that are on a wish-list)... i did check out netflix and their foreign list etc. is impressively extensive, but somehow im not comfortable switching after over two years with greencine... maybe you could expand your selection criteria and explore (have you senn all 80 of the russian films for instance?)--of course i dont know how long youve been at it, and i dont mean to offend--just making a suggestion...
talltale
post #71  on January 3, 2006 - 8:24 PM PST  
I feel Artifex's pain (and liversounds, too, and all the rest of you). Because I have experienced the same lack of availability, I want to share with you all how I handled it. This method has kept me sane during my year or two spent with greencine:
When I first joined, I did the 3-out thing (that's the way I learned it from netflix, where I have also been a member for over 3 years now). I am based very near an NF warehouse, so I send back a movie on Monday, it's recevied on Tuesday and I usually get a return movie on Wednesday, sometimes Thursday. With GC, it takes 4 to 5 days--sometimes one week--each way (I am in Queens, NY).
So I quickly found that it just did not pay, money-wise, to stick with GC's 3-out. Even when I packed my queue, most titles that were easily available at NF (and often so at Blockbuster), were enormously long waits on GC. So I switched to 2-out after a couple of months and then to 1-out--which I have kept for nearly a year, I think.
This does not get me much from CG, but because I have kept my NF 3-out membership (occasionally expanding to 5-out) and also joined Blockbuster (its warehouse is also one day away) for 3-out, I manage to always have a couple of movies to view. (FYI: BB is nowhere as good as NF in anything it does). I don't think this costs me any more than a 8- or 10-out membership w/ GC but it accomplishes SO much more.
Note: I LOVE CG and hope never to leave it. Its weekly dispatch, its blog, its services such as the one I am using and you are reading right now, its obvious love of movies (much more so than NF or BB, which seem to me just be a way for people to make money) renders CG special and important. Perhaps CG does not have the capital to expand enough to carry many copies of everything. That would be nice but it is probably unrealistic to expect. So I would suggest to members that they not leave CG but simply join other web-based movie clubs. Spread you money around a little and you'll be happier. But stick with CG, too. It deserves you, and you deserve it.
Hope this helps.
--Talltale


> On December 28, 2005 - 9:49 AM PST liversounds wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On December 25, 2005 - 1:30 AM PST lizzoqops wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > I feel your pain, Arti...90% of my request list is available at Netflix. I had a really hard time managing my queue this week, there's just not a lot of stuff on it anymore that's a)available and b)a title that I really really want to see. It's getting harder to stay.
> > ---------------------------------
>
> i have about 350 movies in my queue, most of which i have never heard of and 70% of which are green... greencine exists in my mind for foreign films, and beyond that for films that SEEM interesting based on the title/description but are rare or bizarre (in other words not just films that are known or that are on a wish-list)... i did check out netflix and their foreign list etc. is impressively extensive, but somehow im not comfortable switching after over two years with greencine... maybe you could expand your selection criteria and explore (have you senn all 80 of the russian films for instance?)--of course i dont know how long youve been at it, and i dont mean to offend--just making a suggestion...
> ---------------------------------

artifex
post #72  on January 7, 2006 - 10:42 AM PST  
> On December 24, 2005 - 3:50 PM PST artifex wrote:
> So, let me make this easier for you. Here's a few questions any GC staff member ought to be able to answer in simple yes or no terms, for me:
> Do you actually have at least one working copy of God of Cooking in circulation? How about What the Deaf Man Heard? Rebecca? Mon Oncle d'Amerique? Cloud-Capped Star?

topic bump.
artifex
post #73  on January 7, 2006 - 2:49 PM PST  
Ok, scratch God of Cookery; that just shipped :)
Plus, it only took 3 days to get the last disc back.
Something seems better, not sure yet what. Maybe a couple things. I'll wait and see.
lizzoqops
post #74  on January 7, 2006 - 4:56 PM PST  
That's how they get you! They say they're sorry, it gets better for a little while, and then, it all goes to hell again.
woozy
post #75  on January 7, 2006 - 11:16 PM PST  
> On January 7, 2006 - 4:56 PM PST lizzoqops wrote:
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> That's how they get you! They say they're sorry, it gets better for a little while, and then, it all goes to hell again.
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Yeah, well... in a hundred years we'll all be dead.

artifex
post #76  on January 9, 2006 - 11:07 AM PST  
> On January 7, 2006 - 11:16 PM PST woozy wrote:
> Yeah, well... in a hundred years we'll all be dead.

Oh, it's been a month, and they obviously already think it's dead.
artifex
post #77  on January 12, 2006 - 8:46 AM PST  
Will today be the day?
artifex
post #78  on January 12, 2006 - 5:30 PM PST  
> On January 12, 2006 - 8:46 AM PST artifex wrote:
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> Will today be the day?
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guess not. maybe tomorrow.
Trojanboy
post #79  on January 12, 2006 - 6:44 PM PST  
> On January 12, 2006 - 5:30 PM PST artifex wrote:
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> > On January 12, 2006 - 8:46 AM PST artifex wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > Will today be the day?
> > ---------------------------------
>
> guess not. maybe tomorrow.
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Hmm...your thread has piqued my interest in this God of Cooking...I've added it my queue now as well. Sounds interesting, thanks for the heads up!
kohnfused1
post #80  on January 13, 2006 - 10:08 AM PST  
> On January 12, 2006 - 6:44 PM PST Trojanboy wrote:
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> Hmm...your thread has piqued my interest in this God of Cooking...I've added it my queue now as well. Sounds interesting, thanks for the heads up!
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How about "God of Gamblers"?
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