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Survey: curious....how many non-Greens are in your queue?
Topic by: Blumphf
Posted: July 8, 2013 - 5:42 AM PDT
Last Reply: July 18, 2013 - 5:17 PM PDT

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author topic: Survey: curious....how many non-Greens are in your queue?
Blumphf
post #1  on July 8, 2013 - 5:42 AM PDT  
I'm coming up to the point where my Greencine member days are numbered...literally. I currently have 1 Green "released to shipping" (which was on Friday morning, and it wasn't sent; today is Monday), and after that I only have 2 more Greens left in my queue.

I have 205 non-Greens in my queue (and that number has been whittled down from 300+ because some really weren't worth renting anyway).

Many of those have been on my list for years. YEARS! I suppose it served a purpose...Greencine's purpose, that is, of keeping me as a member longer than I probably would have been if I'd known I would never get any of these hard-to-find rentals.

But you can only dupe people for so long and prey upon their hopes until eventually they wake up and realize they are being duped. And I've reached this point. I will stick around for up to one extra month just out of curiosity to see if I'm shipped ANY of these 200+ titles once my Greens disappears.

But let's just say my expectations are not high.

So anyway as I said to anyone reading this...I'd like to know how many non-Greens do you have queued? And what is your current level of frustration at almost never receiving any?
kaream
post #2  on July 8, 2013 - 4:59 PM PDT  
Well, my queue isn't really that long - right now I've added a few, coming up to only 52 total. Three greens have been skipped, but lo and behold GC has shipped a further-down green to me today that I just added over the weekend, a Manoel De Oliveira that NF has on "Long wait".

That's what I've started doing, looking here for anything NF shows as either Long wait or Very long wait, or "Saved", meaning either it's OOP or NF just won't buy it; and sometimes (not very often) queueing it here pays off. I also have a few more greens down past the one now being shipped, so some of these may or may not come.

But about half the movies I look for here at GC they don't have listed at all, much less with a non-green bar - even though they're in print and available to buy.

Perhaps a more interesting question would be, how many non-green titles have you received since they stopped updating color-bars around last November, and what colors had they been marked? Also, how many skipped-over greens do you have?
Blumphf
post #3  on July 8, 2013 - 7:16 PM PDT  
> On July 8, 2013 - 4:59 PM PDT kaream wrote:
> Perhaps a more interesting question would be, how many non-green titles have you received since they stopped updating color-bars around last November, and what colors had they been marked? Also, how many skipped-over greens do you have?
> ---------------------------------

In the last six months I've received just one non-Green. Can't remember what it was only that I was surprised to actually get a non-Green (that meant more to me than whatever the crappy film was--I'm not being facetious, most of the stuff I have on my queue is only because the titles are hard-to-get, I'm sure most of them aren't worth the effort and if they weren't hard-to-get I probably wouldn't even want them!).

Speaking of NF, have you noticed that over the last six months or so that titles they have marked as "Short" Wait are almost all mostly Long Waits now? Never used to be like that on there, but I have about 50 SWs in my top 60 and they all get skipped regularly now.

kaream
post #4  on July 8, 2013 - 7:52 PM PDT  
> On July 8, 2013 - 7:16 PM PDT Blumphf wrote:
> Speaking of NF, have you noticed that over the last six months or so that titles they have marked as "Short" Wait are almost all mostly Long Waits now? Never used to be like that on there, but I have about 50 SWs in my top 60 and they all get skipped regularly now.
> ---------------------------------

That hadn't occurred to me so much, but could well be the case. I don't know if it makes a difference with me being one-out with them, but I frequently try to keep just one Short wait at the top position, because they will send it as an extra disc from a different warehouse when it comes available, in addition to my regular one-out. This works only with position #1.

No, I think in general my Short waits tend to drop any "wait" designation altogether more often than they get longer. This might depend to some extent on the kind of movie - recent and popular, as opposed to old and obscure, with only a few copies in their system, which is virtually all I ever queue.
kaream
post #5  on July 8, 2013 - 8:05 PM PDT  
Prior to last November when the place seemed to fall apart I would very occasionally get a yellow, and one orange a few years ago; for some reason blue was less likely to come than yellow - I think I've received only one blue. But since then, no non-greens at all, and several greens have never come.
Cinenaut
post #6  on July 9, 2013 - 9:48 AM PDT  
I just had a blue bar turn green in my queue. We'll see if it ships today.

My general experience over the past few months has been that almost no non-green discs have shipped, and some green ones don't ship either. I've adapted to this by looking for more green bar titles. I've been getting a steady stream of green bar movies with no problems.
Blumphf
post #7  on July 9, 2013 - 11:44 AM PDT  
> On July 9, 2013 - 9:48 AM PDT Cinenaut wrote:
> ---------------------------------
I've adapted to this by looking for more green bar titles. I've been getting a steady stream of green bar movies with no problems.
> ---------------------------------

Yeah that's been my strategy over the last year or so, too, but only titles I could add that I couldn't get from NF...I just can't reconcile renting something from GC and waiting 5-6 days for an arrival when it will come in 1-2 days from NF.

I mentioned previously the NF problem I've been having of more and more titles from them that they claim are "short" waits but don't ship...I may have to cross-check them with GC and if they're here (AND Green), I'll add them and stick around a little longer.
kaream
post #8  on July 9, 2013 - 11:50 AM PDT  
> On July 9, 2013 - 9:48 AM PDT Cinenaut wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I just had a blue bar turn green in my queue. We'll see if it ships today.
> ---------------------------------

I'm surprised - not a single one of mine has changed color at all, either up or down, since November.
kaream
post #9  on July 9, 2013 - 12:47 PM PDT  
My own strategy (such as it is - it hasn't worked so far) has been to queue up a title at GC only when I'm pretty sure I'll have a hard time getting it from NF. I'm only on one-out, so my reasoning is that, assuming GC actually does have a copy of a movie they say they have, I'd prefer to get nothing from them and hope that a movie I'm really anxious for might free up and be sent. Otherwise, if I add greens that I'm only marginally interested in, for the whole time such a movie is in transit back and forth I'm missing any opportunity for being sent something I'd much prefer to get. My turnaround time for GC runs to roughly a week and a half, and I always worry that maybe, just possibly, something I really wanted might have freed up in that time.

My experience with NF's Short wait is that it usually is pretty short; and it doesn't bother me to wait for any specific movie as long as I can get it eventually.
Cinenaut
post #10  on July 9, 2013 - 2:13 PM PDT  
> On July 9, 2013 - 11:50 AM PDT kaream wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I'm surprised - not a single one of mine has changed color at all, either up or down, since November.
> ---------------------------------

I was surprised, too! I've had the same experience, although I have had just a very few non-green ones ship. I don't know which non-green color they were, however.

Cinenaut
post #11  on July 9, 2013 - 2:13 PM PDT  
> On July 9, 2013 - 11:44 AM PDT Blumphf wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Yeah that's been my strategy over the last year or so, too, but only titles I could add that I couldn't get from NF...I just can't reconcile renting something from GC and waiting 5-6 days for an arrival when it will come in 1-2 days from NF.
>
> I mentioned previously the NF problem I've been having of more and more titles from them that they claim are "short" waits but don't ship...I may have to cross-check them with GC and if they're here (AND Green), I'll add them and stick around a little longer.
> ---------------------------------

I'm renting a lot of things that Netflix doesn't have, like Ozu movies.

Cinenaut
post #12  on July 9, 2013 - 2:57 PM PDT  
I got an orange one ("Henry V" (1944)) shipped to me instead of the one that just turned green! Here's what happened in this case: since the non-green DVDs at the top of my queue have been so stagnant, I've been throwing some different non-green ones up there, in case any of them have been mislabeled and that must have been the case this time.
jmwagner66
post #13  on July 9, 2013 - 5:01 PM PDT  
I seem to get completely random selections from my top 50, unless I throw something up there that I know will be immediately available, like Mystery Science Theater...those always come right away. Still, the turn around has improved in the last month. I did a "quick return" this morning and a new DVD shipped this afternoon.
kaream
post #14  on July 9, 2013 - 5:51 PM PDT  
Yeah, since I recently found a few more greens to add, that NF refuses to stock, I have noticed that GC's warehouse turnaround has been either next day or even same day, a great improvement. But I share with Blumphf pretty long USPS in-transit times both ways. Still, much quicker than with their old shipping address, though; mule train and dogsled would have been faster than wherever it used to be - Van Nuys? That used to be terrible.

Cinenaut: Ozu?? GC and NF carry all the same identical titles, and none of NF's are marked "Save". But I didn't queue any to see if they were Long wait.
kaream
post #15  on July 9, 2013 - 6:01 PM PDT  
For that matter, NF's Olivier Hank Cinq has no Wait on it at all - you could have got it right away.
Cinenaut
post #16  on July 9, 2013 - 6:46 PM PDT  
> On July 9, 2013 - 6:01 PM PDT kaream wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> For that matter, NF's Olivier Hank Cinq has no Wait on it at all - you could have got it right away.
> ---------------------------------

I did get it right away, I moved it up in my queue today, and it shipped even though it was orange, but I take your meaning. I only have streaming Netflix. I guess I can always sign up for Netflix DVD delivery if I feel the need.
kaream
post #17  on July 9, 2013 - 7:34 PM PDT  
I always forget about VOD as opposed to DVD, because it's useless to me. Last night I struggled with The Dust of Time and came away with even less idea of what was going on than most IMDb reviewers, most of whom say they were left confused. Artificial Eye provides good subtitles for languages other than English, but zilch for English, and Dafoe goes through the entire picture muttering, mumbling and talking under his breath. Most movies do have either subtitles or closed captions now for English audio, but in my experience NF streaming cuts them out. Also as I've mentioned, my connection is too slow for a steady stream without pauses for buffering.
Cinenaut
post #18  on July 10, 2013 - 9:07 AM PDT  
The streaming selection has some gems, but it's frustratingly limited. Also, movies come and go, so it's possible to get hooked on a series (like Slings and Arrows) and then have it removed if you're not careful.

> On July 9, 2013 - 7:34 PM PDT kaream wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I always forget about VOD as opposed to DVD, because it's useless to me. Last night I struggled with The Dust of Time and came away with even less idea of what was going on than most IMDb reviewers, most of whom say they were left confused. Artificial Eye provides good subtitles for languages other than English, but zilch for English, and Dafoe goes through the entire picture muttering, mumbling and talking under his breath. Most movies do have either subtitles or closed captions now for English audio, but in my experience NF streaming cuts them out. Also as I've mentioned, my connection is too slow for a steady stream without pauses for buffering.
> ---------------------------------

kaream
post #19  on July 10, 2013 - 1:34 PM PDT  
> On July 10, 2013 - 9:07 AM PDT Cinenaut wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> The streaming selection has some gems, but it's frustratingly limited. Also, movies come and go, so it's possible to get hooked on a series (like Slings and Arrows) and then have it removed if you're not careful.
> ---------------------------------

Yes, that's another good reason to use their DVD subscription instead of VOD, which always has a much smaller selection, with titles that pop up randomly and then disappear. (Also I'm in the same location as a distribution center, so I always get next-day turnaround.)

BTW, that hokey nickname is Variety's, and I've only heard it applied to the Olivier. Great picture - it has to be seen in the context of the war, pre-Normandy, as propaganda. And I've always loved Robert Newton's Pistol; it's fascinating to compare him as Bill Sykes (1948) and Long John Silver (1950).
Blumphf
post #20  on July 12, 2013 - 6:38 PM PDT  
Well i took my own suggestion and searched about a hundred titles I have queued on NF as "short wait" and of those, there were about 50 that Greencine had in their inventory...and of those there were 23 that came up as Green so I added them to my queue today.

Yesterday, when I still only had 2 Greens in my queue, I "Quick Returned" my latest rental, so part of the reason for adding more titles today was to make sure I'd get a rental mailed out before the week was over...

And nothing's been mailed today. GRRRRR!!!

It's shoddy service like this that makes it very, VERY hard to justify hanging around at this place anymore.

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