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The Difference Between Good and Great..Attention to Detail!
Topic by: sc4rf4ce
Posted: October 18, 2003 - 2:31 PM PDT
Last Reply: October 21, 2003 - 4:02 PM PDT

author topic: The Difference Between Good and Great..Attention to Detail!
sc4rf4ce
post #1  on October 18, 2003 - 2:31 PM PDT  
HAHA..i actually stole that line in my topic from my job..we(the employees)all have to say that in unison at the beggining of each shift..but now that i think about it..i guess it's true.


Anyways.


I recently received a movie that was not exactly what it was supposed to be...

I had requested MELTDOWN starring Jet Li,which is actually the American given name and version of the import movie HIGH RISK.The one time i actually DID want to see the u.s. english dubbed version i was sent the english subtitled only version HIGH RISK :(

GC you dont even have HIGH RISK listed in your catalog of dvd's ..i would suggest placing it there along with the correct language info ..there are people that do prefer to watch the ORIGINAL released version of a movie regardless if they are subtitled only (like me, most of the time)

I was sent the version for which you have the u.s. version dvd cover for..BUT for LANGUAGE info you have the import version listed.. Languages: English(Subtitled), Chinese/Cantonese(Original), Chinese(Subtitled)


I guess i'm headed over to BackBuster Video to pick up MELTDOWN .. that reminds me ..i was over there last week looking through thier movies trying to find a movie to use my Monthly Free Rental coupon when i noticed they had a few movies i was actually suprised they carried..such as ..VERSUS,DEAD OR ALIVE ,AUDITION ..but when i looked on the back of the covers ..all were RATED R !!!! :( (thank god for GC for caring the UNRATED/NOT RATED versions)

All i was thinking about after that was someone might be browsing through the store looking for a movie to rent and come accross one of those movies,read the back , find it interesting,and rent it.. without ever knowing that there is a UNRATED version out there..and they are not actually getting the full effect of these great movies by watching the rated versions..

Oh Well ..No Love Lost GC ..you are still my NUMBER 1 DVD ONLINE RENTAL SERVICE OF CHOICE! :)


hamano
post #2  on October 18, 2003 - 5:00 PM PDT  
> On October 18, 2003 - 2:31 PM PDT sc4rf4ce wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I recently received a movie that was not exactly what it was supposed to be...
> ---------------------------------

I had the same experience with Naked Killer. I wanted to see it in Chinese as advertised, but they sent me one of the 4 other versions of this film currently circulating in this country. I got the Region 1 English Dub only version which curiously also had soft subtitles in English (for the hearing impaired HK action/sexploitation fan?)

I sent a note to support and they offered to immediately send out the correct version (the one that matched the description). Instead I asked them to send out the next film on my queue instead, and they did. I mailed Naked Killer back the same day, with a post-it note describing the problem.
Brujaria
post #3  on October 19, 2003 - 3:54 PM PDT  
Even worse, they often dump the subtitled version completely once there is a dubbed version. Is there someone at GC that actually is annoyed by those damn pesky subtitles?
GC seems to like to woo the more educated film fan, their slogan should be "Green Cine: For People Who Like Subtitles", but on the other hand they seem to be trying to get Joe Schmuck away from NF and doesn't want to scare him off with all that lame readin' an' stuff.
As one video-store moron once said after finding out a movie was subtitled: "I might as well read a book!" God forbid.
dpowers
post #4  on October 19, 2003 - 4:01 PM PDT  
could be the dubbed version is more legit. i haven't run into any dubbed horror stories yet, knock-knock.
Brujaria
post #5  on October 19, 2003 - 4:05 PM PDT  
> On October 19, 2003 - 4:01 PM PDT dpowers wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> could be the dubbed version is more legit.
> ---------------------------------

Well... it wouldn't have to be that way if they stocked R3 discs instead of those *ahem* "special imports". But that's another thread.
dpowers
post #6  on October 19, 2003 - 8:05 PM PDT  
dub makes you mad, but R3 would make more people, more mad.
Brujaria
post #7  on October 19, 2003 - 8:11 PM PDT  
> On October 19, 2003 - 8:05 PM PDT dpowers wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> dub makes you mad, but R3 would make more people, more mad.
> ---------------------------------

Actually 90% of HK DVDs are R0.
All the older kung fu and action stuff is legit, cheap and codefree.
All the newer HK stuff, plus the Japanese and Korean stuff that are on those "special" codefree DVDs are not even available in a dubbed form. All the stuff that everyone is complaining about was on "legit" subtitled DVD, but GC, for some reason, feels that once there is a dubbed version, that is either preferable or interchangable.
dpowers
post #8  on October 19, 2003 - 9:54 PM PDT  
sorry, i thought you were advocating that things be R3 where necessary.
hamano
post #9  on October 20, 2003 - 6:06 AM PDT  
> On October 19, 2003 - 3:54 PM PDT Brujaria wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Even worse, they often dump the subtitled version completely once there is a dubbed version. Is there someone at GC that actually is annoyed by those damn pesky subtitles?
> ---------------------------------

I think they TRY to avoid that, unless there's some legal problem (the original disc was a grey market title?). In my case, with Naked Killer, I think they got rid of all the Region 1 Dub Only copies and made sure that the rest of the copies in circulation matches the description on the item page for Naked Killer.

From my personal experience, GC seems to go for domestic releases, probably because they're easier to replace and cheaper. But they're willing to fix it if the domestic release has fewer useful features (original language, subtitles, etc) than the HK release.
Brujaria
post #10  on October 20, 2003 - 10:37 AM PDT  
> On October 20, 2003 - 6:06 AM PDT hamano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I think they TRY to avoid that, unless there's some legal problem (the original disc was a grey market title?). In my case, with Naked Killer, I think they got rid of all the Region 1 Dub Only copies and made sure that the rest of the copies in circulation matches the description on the item page for Naked Killer.
> ---------------------------------

Maybe because they got lots of complaints about that one. With Aces Go Places, they have the dubbed versions of the first three and the subtitled versions of parts four and five (because the last two haven't been released in dubbed versions yet).
If there is a demand for the dubbed versions, why not have two separate and distinct entries. Hell, quite often these days the dubbed version has a different title (Mad Mission vs Aces Go Places or as the original poster stated Meltdown vs High Risk), which would make the distinction easy and people would get exactly what they want.
dh22
post #11  on October 20, 2003 - 1:41 PM PDT  
I guess they're just not Avis.
Gradalis
post #12  on October 21, 2003 - 11:10 AM PDT  
I appreciate the speculation but, in fact (and in every instance), there are very necessary reasons for the problems that you mentioned. It should be clear that we always opt for the "best available" version of every film that we carry -- original aspect ratio over pan-and-scan, original language over dubbed. It must be legitimately available, however.

For instance, currently all of the domestic versions of Jet Li's HK releases (such as High Risk) were pulled off of the market. Evidently, they will be re-released at some unspecified date. Once we locate a reliable supplier for the imports, we will gradually add them to our catalog.

As for Aces Go Places, I personally tracked down copies of the later films. I realize that the Anchor Bay versions, released as Mad Mission, are inferior but they currently own the rights to this series in the U.S. -- and therein lies the rub. In theory, the superior versions should not be available here (or elsewhere in this country). In reality, we are quietly replacing the domestic versions whenever we can locate them (for instance, Our Man From Bond Street is really the HK version of Aces Go Places III).

You will all notice a dramatic shift in our "data integrity" in the weeks ahead. We actually pay a company-that-shall-remain-nameless a significant amount of money to provide DVD details, such as the available language(s) on a particular disc, and the data that they send is quite frequently wrong. We fix it whenever we find it. As of this month, we finally have a team in-place that will repair these errors more expediently.

resourcefully,
Jonathan Marlow
Content Acquisitions
dpowers
post #13  on October 21, 2003 - 11:55 AM PDT  
why be coy about where the info comes from, it's published all over the site.
Gradalis
post #14  on October 21, 2003 - 4:02 PM PDT  
why be coy...
The answers are readily available if you want them (at the bottom of every page, natch). I was merely preempting the expletives that generally follow when typing those four little letters.

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